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    Let the apologists have a field day in the comments.

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    [–] [email protected] -2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

    I'm actually fine with Linux being for people who are into knowing how their computers work and Windows/MacOS for people who aren't.

    [–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    I just wish there was an option for normal people to escape "we've added more bloatware and spyware in this mandatory update" without having a CS degree.

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    [–] [email protected] 46 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

    I don't care if settings are done by GUI or terminal, I just want clear and concise descriptions for specific settings and not a condescending "go read the man pages you fucking noob". I've been fucking with Linux for over a decade now; a lack of clear documentation is not my problem, and at this point is unacceptable.

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    [–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    Sure.... Want to fix the stupid new menus in windows 11? Oh it is just a new guid key in the registry in a location you wouldn't expect. You know just cut and paste shit into the registry you found on the internet. Windows is just as annoying, if not more so.

    In any case: what system GUI's do you want? GUIS make everything so much harder, careful what you wish for.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Does Windows 11 still use the Windows 7 control panel?

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

    They deprecated that to prevent users from messing with things

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    No, there's a couple rogue advanced dialogues but the control panel's finally been well replaced

    [–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

    Ehhhh, you can still get in there. Also there are several control panel only functions. It's been pretty frustrating how they've incremented change. I feel like they should have gone menu by menu in control panel and just built their new settings application page by page and then just pushed one big control panel alternative. Then they could phase the old one out or leave it in for legacy users or whatever. But the new settings and how that menu changes every few months is frustrating as hell.

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

    rip in peace, control panel. will be missed.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

    NixOS has the potential to do really well here. The Nix language has a rich enough type system to generate GUI forms for every field, and there are several projects being worked on that allow editing NixOS options from a GUI. They're still very janky, but it's definitely possible to get to a point where a layperson could operate them without breaking their system.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Nix is definitely where I'd bet on good GUI development, if I had to choose. I've had my own issues with NixOS in the past, primarily due to me simply not being able to fully grasp some of the language for configs, but I'd definitely assume that GUI editing would be much easier due to the more predictable nature of the config files.

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    [–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    12 years ago maybe, plasma made a lot of improvements since then

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Can I edit systemd services and bootloader settings somewhere?

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

    Systemdgenie is good enough for me, but that's just me.

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    [–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    MY CREATOR USED LINUX TO DEVELOPE ME I FEEL COLD WHEN I EXTRACT MY DATA

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

    No one should feel cold. Lets add some autoplay taboola ads to all of your screens so it wont feel so cold anymore. You're welcome.

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    Since suggestions in the comments are just words of apologists, do you have a proposal for a solution, or is this just a rant post?

    All I’m getting right now is a vague idea of some Master GUI that resembles the cockpit of a commercial jet that no β€œaverage user” is ever going to try and decipher, anyway.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

    do you have a proposal for a solution, or is this just a rant post?

    I think this post captures a commonly felt problem whether or not it is still a fair criticism.

    [–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    YaST on OpenSUSE is pretty nice.

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