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White House urges developers to dump C and C++ (www.infoworld.com)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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White House urges developers to dump C and C++::Biden administration calls for developers to embrace memory-safe programing languages and move away from those that cause buffer overflows and other memory access vulnerabilities.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago (2 children)

C/C++: so bad that even the white house takes notice 😂

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Final-ONCD-Technical-Report.pdf

[–] [email protected] 58 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I agree, let's start with dumping Windows.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Can’t we just bring back Forth and call it a day?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

segmentation fault (c and c++ dumped)

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 8 months ago (6 children)

I’m not sure what to think about this. It’s bizarre, the White House making any recommendations on programming languages.

They’re definitely not seen as an authority in this field. Why would anyone care what recommendation they make? And so why make one at all?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

There have been words around this, like how software should be safe by design, but the regulation should come from the governing entity. This is simply materialized now, but there has been momentum.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It’s a national security threat

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

C/C++ is a threat to mental stability

[–] [email protected] 66 points 8 months ago (6 children)

They’re definitely not seen as an authority in this field. Why would anyone care what recommendation they make?

It's possible that they are acting on the advice of advisors who are authorities in this field.

And so why make one at all?

I expect it's because information and industrial security are components of national security, which is of great concern to them, and those things depend on software.

I'm not surprised to see this, given that state-sponsored electronic attacks are on the rise these days.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I think we should politicize code. It seems so unfettered by politics so far while so many other things are nicely split amongst party lines. Seems like maybe the Republicans should embrace C and the democrats can have python or something.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Can I both upvote and downvote you? Seems most appropriate

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

Republicans get C, Java, Lua, and C++; Democrats get Ada, Rust, C#, and Python; Libertarians get Zig, TCL, Julia, and Ocaml for some reason.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

haha as if repugnicunts code...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Ruby is just one guy, Vermin Supreme

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Ruby-off-the-rails

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I thought this is a tech space, but you've just made a lot of people Republicans.

One would also expect Ada to be Republican.

And can libertarians please have Common Lisp?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

“We, as a nation, have the ability—and the responsibility—to reduce the attack surface in cyberspace and prevent entire classes of security bugs from entering the digital ecosystem but that means we need to tackle the hard problem of moving to memory safe programming languages,” National Cyber Director Harry Coker said in the White House news release.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Team Fortran raise up, but not too fast our old bones aren't as strong as they used to be.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 8 months ago

Gov is getting rusty

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Probably a good idea, plenty of languages out there that can give good performance while being memory safe nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Such as? (Non-programmer here, so I don't know the ins and outs of programming languages.)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Isn't that only microsoft exclusive and closed source? Also does compiling it really yield the same speed as C, it is garbage collected isn't it?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Was always possible to compile+run C# on Linux using the Mono project. Until Microsoft "bought them out" and created .NET Core, a cross platform version of .NET that MS now encourages people to use instead...

Microsoft's new linux compile tools rub me the wrong way slightly, with the telemetry that's opt-in by default.

Mono is still extremely valuable for older .NET Framework apps under WINE though, way easier to setup compared to the official installers from what i've experienced.