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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

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Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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ORGANIZATIONS

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (14 children)

The paramedics injected him with Ketamine. I'm a paramedic. I initially felt that the crew had done what they were supposed to do, but after the details came out in court, it is clear to me that they neglected important duties as healthcare providers. They should be held accountable, and the fact that the whole damn system of cops being able to request Ketamine didn't get its legs blown off after this is a miscarriage of justice.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (6 children)

this is simply an extension of how y'all treat Neuro divergent people in hospitals and psych wards. I assume the fact that it happened in the open made people outraged compared to when it happens behind closed doors

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How was he injected with ketamine?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Paramedics came and gave him more then a therapeutic dose to sedate him.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are paramedics allowed to do that?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They were convicted in court. I followed up on some of the details, and I believe that they neglected important duties as healthcare providers. I can go into it a bit, but basically they are allowed to give Ketamine for combative patients that present a hazard to themselves or others, and it's a weight based dosage. Elijah was alert and oriented, which should have been a contraindication AFAICT, and they gave him basically double what they should have.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why was he sedated with ketamine? Surely, there are better options?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't think, "Dont harass innocent people." is on the list.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Syringe by paramedic, urged by police who didn’t like that he was struggling against an illegal search.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Illegal searches tend to include violent restraint as well, because cops love to call someone that falls over when shoved 'resisting arrest'.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Damn, paramedics are pigs too?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

Unfortunately, the police complex is coopting a lot of stuff it has no business coopting.

I've had cops (and firefighters, for that matter) help me control aggressive patients until we could get them restrained or medicated so I didn't get my ass beat. I've taken over from cops when they determine that it's a medical call rather than a legal concern. Chemically sedating people for the cops, though? That should have never been happening, and IIRC it was official FD policy in Aurora.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

all the paramedics that don't wear respirators for COVID are cops

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