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Hi everyone, I am looking for an encrypted messaging service to start using and recommending to my friends and family, I really want to get this right the first time. At the moment I'm looking at using matrix I really like it's bridges and federated nature, Although I'm not 100% sure about it's ux.

What I want to ask is what messaging service do you use and do you have any regrets with it? What encrypted messaging service would you recommended?

Edit: I just had another question are any of the bridges in matrix end to end encrypted? If person A used matrix and person B used signal could person A use a bridge to talk to person B securely?

Edit 2: thanks for all the responses guys it looks like signal seams like the best option since it has really good security like many other messaging apps but it's also easy to use.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If no one's on any kind of private messaging platform, SimpleX is good and fairly easy to use. But I mostly use Signal just because everyone's on it.

Also consider your threat model; Signal is appropriate for just casual personal conversations, but it is centralised and not self-hostable. The servers are run by the Signal org who are based in the US. If the potential of message metadata (which can be used to eg create networks of who's messaging who) getting into the hands of the US state could create significant issues for you, you may want to at least find either a decentralised or self-hostable solution which is not so US-centric. I assume, though, since you're talking to these people on non-private platforms, that these are not super sensitive discussions anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Signal. It's changed a lot. For the better.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Personally I'd go with Signal. Matrix has a certain jank level IME, for example rooms can get desynced between homeservers and the only way to fix is to create a new room and abandon the old one. Not sure how often that happens for small scale use though, I've only seen it in large rooms.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I will second the others that only suggest Signal or a variant of Signal like Langis or Molly. Everybody has each other's phone numbers, go with Signal so people don't need any other contact information.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

No bridges are not end 2 end encrypted. The best you can do is host the server and bridge in your own home and thus have the bridge "end" in a secure location.

If your friends and family are not very technical, then Matrix is probably a bad idea as it tends to be quite in your face about all sorts of technical issues especially with the encryption keys and so on. It works ok usually once everything is set up though.

XMPP is IMHO the better option as the mobile apps are easier to understand and the e2ee usually works out of the box and stays out of the way unless you specifically want to mess around with it. For a friends & family server I recommend setting up https://snikket.org/ or rent a server from them cheaply.

There are also good bridges for XMPP, but setting them up requires more understanding of self-hosting.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

I don't use messengers with vendor lock-in. Therefore Matrix and XMPP see: https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html

Both self hosted on a Raspberry #freedombox https://freedombox.org/

Matrix has all the features like Slack and WhatsApp and XMPP Conversations: the very last word in instant messaging.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

i use simplex with people i used sms with before, and matrix for everything else

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

If you're going to bring your friends and family, then you need to make it easy for the lowest common denominator.

I'd recommend using Signal in that case.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Signal for security standard and ease of use, which is essential, if You want to use it with non techy people.

Simplex for anonymity, You can download it, share chat and start talking without registration.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

I got my family onto signal. The app is basic, but that is kinda a benefit when getting half-blind 90yo's onto it.

I switched from hangouts when they killed group calls by trying to be zoom.

No regrets, but group calls sometimes dont ring, which is annoying. Mostly good though.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago

I've used Signal since it first came out as TextSecure like 10+ years ago.

It doesnt have fancy bells or whistles, but its work well for me and good enough that ive gotten elderly family members to use it too

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