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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Isn't cis another word for straight?
I honestly don't know, just asking

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Well, trans as a root means across from, or on the other side of.

Cis means on this side of. Both are from latin roots.

When using it in gender discussions, it means someone that isn't trans, aka the gender normative, aka the folks that match in terms of inner and outer gender expression.

Cisgender started out as a term back in the nineties, as a way to be able to refer to the majority that are gender normative with a simpler term when discussing transgender/transexual issues. As you can see, it is incredibly cumbersome to describe the cisgender people of the world without using cis. Pain in the ass when you're writing or talking about the subject. And the nineties are when that kind of discussion became more prevalent.

There's also the fact that people have put unnecessary weight to the word "normal", and tend not to understand the word normative. Because of the way normal has been used for a very long time now, despite it really meaning something that's typical, any use of it implies that everything else is abnormal in a bad way rather than just not typical. Largely because in most fields, abnormal is a bad thing. Abnormal blood work as an example.

So, we have heteronormative and cisnormative for the straights and non trans people behaving in typical ways for those groups as well as cisgender meaning aligning with one's nominative gender.

Now, can cis be used to denote "straight" people? Kinda, but not really. It would be a very unusual usage because straight in terms of non normative sexuality being discussed almost always refers to sexual orientation. Using cis to mean straight isn't unreasonable, particularly since you'll run into situations where gay people and trans people might just use straight as a shorter word for cis-hetero. But you won't see that in anything but casual settings because of the very confusion you're dealing with. Most of my close friends are gay or otherwise under the lgbtq+ heading, and I've never actually heard anyone use cis as a synonym for straight, but I have heard "straights" used as a term that includes cis.

Yay for language!

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

i think he's assuming there's a difference between cis and straight but is too gay to know for sure

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Don't try to insult people just for asking a question.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Cis refers to gender identity where as straight refers to their sexuality.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

This is like when you cool things down to such a low temperature that they start acting like they're super hot.

It's similar in that they're both arbitrary linguistic distinctions that do not apply under most circumstances (and indeed barely capture the phenomenon in the first place), reveal holes in our understanding of reality that even experts are largely unprepared to deal with, and have no practical, usable effects or results (although I'd love to know what the gay equivalent of superconduction is - is "superfluid" a gender?)

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

With the debatable exception of Jadzia, all those characters were exclusively shown in heterosexual relationships.

Rejoined was a great episode.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Linking isn’t inherently sexual, as was pretty clear from that episode.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (6 children)

all those characters were exclusively shown in heterosexual relationships.

That's not exactly evidence against them all being bi

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but that doesn't mean they were exclusively heterosexual.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The definition of canon is that which is shown on screen.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Any character that does not explicitly say they were hetero/homosexual is canonically bi until proven otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (4 children)

If they're not shown in explicitly sexual relationships, they're canonically ace.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not too sure what's debatable about Jadzia. Julian on the other hand... pretty debatable.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (8 children)

While she kissed a girl, it was never portrayed as a lesbian relationship, rather the post reincarnation resumption of earlier straight marriage.

Did Bashir ever pine after a guy? O’Brien doesn’t count.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If you've not noticed garak and Bashir.... well, it's worth a rewatch just for that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Garak is a pleasure to watch, and Andrew Robinson said he’s intentionally coded as bi, but he’s not in this photo.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

Julian has a relationship with garak, and while he's obviously a bit confused about what it is it's pretty evident garak is not.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Their genders were never a consideration as an obstacle either, though.

So while neither might have been gay or even bi... I'd give more credence to poly over anything. "Whatever works!"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Dang I know he was just a simple tailor but such shade as to ignore him entirely?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

While she kissed a girl, it was never portrayed as a lesbian relationship

That's what I told grandma when she walked in on me and Jenny Davis

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