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In a Fox News interview, Donald Trump argued that Ukraine should not have resisted Russia’s 2022 invasion, claiming Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy should have made a deal with Vladimir Putin.

Trump criticized Zelenskyy for choosing to fight, compared the military strength of Russia and Ukraine, and said he could have ended the war quickly through negotiations.

Trump’s stance contrasts with Joe Biden's strong support for Ukraine, including aid and sanctions on Russia.

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[–] Wiz@midwest.social 4 points 2 months ago

I'm kinda getting a "if you're getting raped just lay back and take it" vibe from this.

[–] iowagneiss@midwest.social 6 points 2 months ago

Well yeah, and now he's taking this move from Putin's playbook for Greenland. He's at the "people in Greenland would rather be US citizens" stage. Putin did the same thing in the beginning when talking about the territories in Ukraine he wanted to take.

[–] DegenerationIP@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Yo. You know. Screw him. Slava Ukraini!!!

[–] Vytle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Trump is chose to continue giving aide to Ukraine. This is just bullshit so he can appear to be trying to lower taxes

[–] Famko@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I wouldn't be so confident about that, considering that Trump is known to spew so much bullshit that the truth is hard to parse from it.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 48 points 2 months ago

Of course he did. Trump would never stand up to a bully, he would never defend the weak against the nasty. That would take courage, but Trump has only cowardice and sycophacny for bullies.

Trump is a person who sucks up to bullies, and punches down on the bullied, through and through.

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

“They’re saying ‘the war is tomorrow’ – this causes panic on the market and elsewhere," Zelensky, Jan 2022 in response to US warnings of imminent Russian invasion.

Zelensky didn't "choose to fight" because Russia insisted there would be no fight right up until it crossed the border. It would've been considered a sneak attack but for the US telling everyone Russia was invading for a full month in advance. There was no choice offered to Zelensky and never has been since, unless you count Russia's current stance of basically "give us all your weapons and maybe then we'll negotiate"/

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago

Lemme just invade the us on a whim then

[–] glowing_hans@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 months ago

But the US has the most powerful military on the planet under president Trump? Power is useless if it is not used and guided well.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Trump is a little bitch. Doesn't know what being a man is, because if he did, he'd do the opposite of this.

[–] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

It's worse. I doubt he knows what being a human is...

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Does he really believe this, or is this redirected anger because he's finally figured out that he can't, in fact, just solve it?

Probably, Putin told him to pound sand, and then OPEC basically just ignored him when collapsing oil prices was the next idea.

[–] blarth@thelemmy.club 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Putin didn’t tell him to pound sand. Putin holds the leash. Everything Donald Trump says and does is to advance Russian interests.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I see little evidence of that. At most Putin has a small amount of leverage on him. Basically, there's just a lot of stuff good for Putin Trump could do but doesn't.

[–] blarth@thelemmy.club 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It’s only the first week.

In his previous term, he had to be forced by Congress to keep sanctions against Russia in place. Getting rid of them was one of his first priorities.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administrations-secret-efforts-ease-russia-sanctions-fell-short-231301145.html

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He also has been publicly threatening to economically destroy Russia for the last week, so there, a bit of evidence both ways.

Meanwhile, he could order assassinations in Ukraine if he wanted to and nobody could stop him.

[–] blarth@thelemmy.club 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Trump says a lot of shit. He also said Ukraine shouldn’t have fought back.

Actions speak louder than words.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

His pro-Russia actions are way more weak than I would allow if I were Putin and actually controlled him, though.

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

In less than a week, he's fucked up relations with Mexico, Canada and the EU. California had proposed secession. In less than a week. This is all Putin's marching orders, being enacted in broad daylight, and your response is "kinda weak"?

At least you've kept your head warm this winter, placing it firmly up your backside as you've obviously done.

[–] blarth@thelemmy.club 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because of the separation of powers and checks and balances we have in the US, he doesn’t have unilateral power to do whatever he wants. He can typically only inch toward Putin’s goals. Why do you think he is trying to weaken our relationships with our allies through tariffs and talk of land grabs?

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I know how the US system works in reasonable detail. He commands all the security stuff, to start, and is immune to prosecution if he just ignores the rules that do exist. We saw that he's pretty hard to impeach even with a split house, too.

Why do you think he is trying to weaken our relationships with our allies through tariffs and talk of land grabs?

He's just like that. He's mean and stupid. I see little evidence of an actual plan.

[–] blarth@thelemmy.club 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It is blatantly a means to draw us close to Russia and alienate our NATO allies.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

By that logic, it helps China or Iran just as much.

[–] blarth@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes, it does. As does weakening the USD by pumping crypto. Look into how the world order works.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Alright, if we're being condescending: Take your conspiracy theory and you can pound sand.

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ah. "Agree with me or fuck off" is such an informed position. You truly are a scholar of these times.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

"Be nice or I don't want to talk to you"

This is the internet, I don't have to put up with shit if I don't want to. And neither should anyone reading.

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If that's your position, best get off the 'net, bud. You're too sensitive.

[–] blarth@thelemmy.club 3 points 2 months ago

It wasn’t my intention to condescend; I just figured you might not understand that the US’ strength is primarily due to the fact that the USD is the currency the world trades in. Weakening the USD has a lot of implications for changing the world order, which would benefit Russia.

Many years ago, Russia and china tried to develop an alternative currency to use in the global energy market. Weakening the US is a major goal for Putin, and so it is for Trump.

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