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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

What is a blood clot if not red?! The commies got him!

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago

CIA has the heart attack gun. Russia has the blood clot gun

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Why is this news being given by Ukraine's intelligence chief? I would assume we'd get it from another vector.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Because if anyone has incentive to say he was assassinated, it's Ukraine, so we can be pretty sure they're telling the truth.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

If a clot was formed due to a poison or something, is that detectable? Or is this one of those things that will always be shrouded in suspicion because we'll never know if the clot was 'natural' or part of a more intentional plot?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I mean, you can always posit another hypothesis because it is very difficult to prove a negative, but if a coagulant or something was administered to him, it should turn up on an autopsy. Ultimately, given the position of Ukrainian intelligence here, the more reasonable conclusion is that people die eventually and that's the extent of the meaning of what happened (or perhaps you could add that the stress of his situation hastened his demise, which is probably true).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

That does make sense.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

A blood clot doesn't mean there is no foul play. There are plenty of poisons that cause clotting: https://go.drugbank.com/categories/DBCAT000113 - including some that are snake venom components.

It could also be a consequence of prolonged confinement without much movement. It could also be an eventual consequence of the 2020 poisoning (there is no evidence that Novichok specifically or mild poisoning with other acetylcholinesterase inhibitors causes clots; however, severe poisoning causes respiratory paralysis which causes hypoxia, and that can cause platelet and vascular dysfunction/damage that increases the risk of thrombosis. Not many people ever have been poisoned with Novichok and survived, so the exact sequelae are uncertain).

Now, there is a question of whether the FSB would want to do a subtle execution or an ambiguous one. They did attempt an obvious one in 2020, given it involved an agent which is clearly associated with the Russian government (although perhaps if he hadn't made it overseas, that would have never come out). Since then, perhaps Putin and the FSB have less incentive to be brazen. If they didn't want to send a message, they could have just kept Navalny alive. But maybe ambiguous was a compromise they wanted - it keeps would-be dissidents fearful, but provides the cover of plausible deniability for those who would criticise the killing of a political opponent.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Clots can also be caused by injuries. I'm not saying he was beaten or anything but I would be surprised if he wasn't at some point, probably repeatedly, and possibly recently.

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