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Revealed: car industry was warned keyless vehicles vulnerable to theft a decade ago (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Experts alerted motor trade to security risks of ‘smart key’ systems which have now fuelled highest level of car thefts for a decade.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

"THAT WASN'T MY QUESTION!!! WILL THEY MAKE ITS MONEY???"

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

are they talking about smart phone app to unlock cars or the keyless entry that has been around since the 90s?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Both, honestly. But the real problem in this case is the keys that can open and start a car with their mere presence. A relay attack makes bypassing them trivial, and when a large number of people leave their keys at the front door, it’s not difficult to give it a shot.

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[+] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (5 children)

To be fair, I think we ignore the security of physical locks. Atleast one must get physical access to the lock in order to pick it.

Or even password books. Atleast someone has to get physical access to said book, which requires knowing it exists in the first place.

Does that make them better? No, not imo, but it is an aspect of these things that often gets overlooked

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Atleast one must get physical access to the lock in order to pick it.

It's a fair point, but if we're taking about cars, I'd say physical access is a given. Keyless vehicles haven't quite enabled remote car thefts just yet

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I’d also like to point out that most modern vehicles use rolling codes to prevent replay attacks. I’ve only recently learned this as I was concerned about devices like the Flipper making these sorts of techniques to people that otherwise would lack the expertise to put such a device together themselves

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

If you have an older renault with a keyless card, press the lock button two times and it will disable the keylless system until you start the car. It hink this should be the standart.

The newer hyundai and kia dont have a good immo, they can be started by breaking the ignition lock and turning the start key, also if you can catch the unloxking signal you can reuse it. Normaly you wouldnt be able to start a car without an immo chip, that is tied to the car. Normaly you woulnd be able to unlock the car because the remote and the car keeps changing the unlock code, but to make these cars cheeper for America market they removed these futures.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Even worse is that their recall only disables starting if you lock it with the fob. You can program a cheap fob if you can turn the ignition switch. It would take an extra 30 seconds or so if you knew what to do.

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