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Tesla Gigafactory Berlin (lemmy.world)

submitted 6 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Beautiful 😍

[–] [email protected] 55 points 6 days ago

Man baby needs to be held accountable for his actions.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That is fantastic

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[–] [email protected] 155 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Brave protest. Pretty sure Nazi imagery is illegal in Germany. Somebody correct me if I’m wrong

[–] [email protected] 75 points 6 days ago (15 children)

There's plenty of "fair use" cases which would allow it.

§86a STGB allows for the use of "symbols of anti-constitutional organizations" in cases of:

art (e.g. the movie "Downfall")
scientific research
education
news or other broadcast (covering Nazi Protests in the US for example, German news station don't have to censor the Swastika flags or the like)

And probably applying in this case - in protesting said anti-constitutional organizations, for example a crossed out Swastika as a form of protest against Nazis is still very much legal.

Most important is the intent. If you plan to use those symbols with the intent of furthering the ideology of anti-constitutional organizations, it is probably forbidden. The intention has to be clearly against those organizations, otherwise it might be actionable.

Btw the communist party of Germany, the KPD is also considered an anti-constitutional organization and therefore it's symbols are forbidden in the same way.

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[–] [email protected] 440 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Making the German state officially state that this is Nazi imagery would be a worthwhile win lol.

[–] [email protected] 88 points 6 days ago

lol didn’t even think of that

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 6 days ago (4 children)

It is with few exceptions. Given that it looks like the purpose is to call out a Nazi supporter I think they wouldn't get in trouble for that though.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago

Weiter so!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

Nice

[–] [email protected] 184 points 6 days ago (5 children)

wtf, is that real?

[–] [email protected] 348 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It's being projected as part of a protest by https://bsky.app/profile/politicalbeauty.bsky.social and https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:37x2qvt3z5iwuyzusvnvlepi

[+] [email protected] -148 points 6 days ago (5 children)

as a protest??? it's probably going to have the exact opposite effect...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

What, he’s going to be even more of a Nazi?

[–] [email protected] 133 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Why would this backfire? You think germans and their gigafactory subsidies are going to like the nazi salute so much it will increase his popularity?

[+] [email protected] -85 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (9 children)

Do you think there are no Nazi sympathizers in Germany? Don't you see AfD on the rise there?

Most of the people seeing this isn't going to know the context (i.e. this is a protest). If you strip away the context, this is just a blatant public display of the fascist salute, which many there have wanted to do for so long but couldn't because they feared the consequences. This could very well embolden them.

Like, if you just look at the photo, it even straight out says "heil Tesla", for crying out loud. If this is a protest, they did a piss poor job of it. At least put a clown makeup on Elon's face, what are they even doing.

Edit: some people can't even read it seems.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Some people just slept in the day they were handing out common sense.

I envy you the beauty sleep.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah, the average German won't have heard about Nazi space karen throwing the heil. Especially after he was just there defending Nazis. Who would even know about that, just because it's world wide news and involves something very poignant to the German people?

🤡🤡

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Don't you see AfD on the rise there? The AfD is not only rising because of Nazi sympathy, but also because of protest voters, a literal fuckton of drama around pretty much every other significant party, too many deaths being instrumentalized, and a disfunctional current government. Latest opinion poll: https://dawum.de/Bundestag/ - so "only" 20% support them.

Most of the people seeing this isn't going to know the context (i.e. this is a protest). If you strip away the context, this is just a blatant public display of the fascist salute, which many there have wanted to do for so long but couldn't because they feared the consequences. This could very well embolden them.

Even german news are full of the orange idiot and his millionaire friends doing their escapades, and you seem to imagine most of the german population sitting there applauding him? "Blatant displays of the fascist salute" are NOT what many here want to do, but what most would like to do without consequences is punching a Nazi straight to their face.

If you haven't realized, many european governments shifted right because the populism of those parties exploited and used the political tensions and the accumulated anger for the past failures of many left and green hardliners very well.

Germans are not more right or have more Nazis than many other European states, and given the hereditary guilt, less than many.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I get his point, even if he didn't state it eloquently. There are photography elements here that look kind of cool. Yeah, most people will focus on memories of history and, you know, how Nazis are fucking bad. But the danger is if something like this recruits anyone. Some people fall for anything with a cool font, even if it tarnishes the font for a lot of others. If I see a swastika, I want to see it carved into a Nazi's forehead. I don't want to see a stylized swastika with cool lighting effects that might appeal to a small number of idiots.

It helps that Elon's face looks particularly stupid.

I don't know that I agree with his argument, but I can see a grain of truth in it.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Most of the people seeing this isn't going to know the context

Ok there, sources needed. It almost sounds like youre shilling for them. Next youre going to tell me he was just waving!

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 days ago

Thx

[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 days ago (3 children)

The photo of Ellen and the “HEIL” appear to be projected onto the wall of the factory