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Hi all, last night, a post from last year from my personal X account suddenly became a topic of discussion here on Reddit. I want to share a few thoughts on this to provide clarity to the community on what is Proton's policy on politics going forward.

First, while the X post was not intended to be a political statement, I can understand how it can be interpreted as such, and it therefore should not have been made. While we will not prohibit all employees from expressing personal political opinions publicly, it is something I will personally avoid in the future. I lean left on some issues, and right on other issues, but it doesn't serve our mission to publicly debate this. It should be obvious, but I will say that it is a false equivalence to say that agreeing with Republicans on one specific issue (antitrust enforcement to protect small companies) is equal to endorsing the entire Republican party platform.

Second, officially Proton must always be politically neutral, and while we may share facts and analysis, our policy going forward will be to share no opinions of a political nature. The line between facts, analysis, and opinions can be blurry at times, but we will seek to better clarify this over time through your feedback and input.

The exception to these rules is on the topics of privacy, security, and freedom. These are necessarily political topics, where influencing public policy to defend these values, often requires engaging politically.

The operations of Proton have always reflected our neutrality. For example, recently we refused pressure to deplatform both Palestinian student groups and Zionist student groups, not because we necessarily agreed with their views, but because we believe more strongly in their right to have their own views.

It is also a legal guarantee under Swiss law, which explicitly prohibits us from assisting foreign governments or agencies, and allows us no discretion to show favoritism as Swiss law and Swiss courts have the final say.

The promise we make is that no matter your politics, you will always be welcome at Proton (subject of course to adherence to our terms and conditions). When it comes to defending your right to privacy, Proton will show no favoritism or bias, and will unconditionally defend it irrespective of the opinions you may hold.

This is because both Proton as a company, and Proton as a community, is highly diverse, with people that hold a wide range of opinions and perspectives. It's important that we not lose sight of nuance. Agreeing/disagreeing with somebody on one point, rarely means you agree/disagree with them on every other point.

I would like to believe that as a community there is more that unites us than divides us, and that privacy and freedom are universal values that we can all agree upon. This continues to be the mission of the non-profit Proton Foundation, and we will strive to carry it out as neutrally as possible.

Going forward, I will be posting via u/andy1011000. Thank you for your feedback and inputs so far, and we look forward to continuing the conversation.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Those calfs are looking amazing right now!!!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Honestly all that noise was coming from Americans anyway, not a big deal They're drama-queens. Never take Americans seriously on politics & economy (& also healthcare)

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Literally none of this matters and its all just noise. American politics and Americans themselves are insane.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, I pay for Proton to try it out. I was liking it but this guy bending the knee to someone like trump is a huge red flag. I won't be renewing my subscription!

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

a post from last year from my personal X account suddenly became a topic of discussion here on Reddit.

You mean last month right.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago

this is the most "i think my userbase are idiots" statement anybody could make. like do you think we dont know how time works andy? fuck you

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, last year, 2024. Stupid way of intentionally phrasing it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Almost without fail, every service that touches creeptocurrencies goes into a decline.

Don't expect Proton to make virtuous ethical choices anytime soon, especially now that Trump joined the cult. Once the greed bug has bitten, making a profit supersedes delivering a good product as the primary objective.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

The only crypto to trust is XMR. Its blockchain is very opaque in contrast to Bitcoin.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I mean, I’m all for crypto, but proton posting about holding BTC is cringe

I don’t agree with your first sentence though. There is some logic to using crypto, but solely using it as « haha numbers go up, profit, profit! » is stupid

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I lean left on some issues, and right on other issues

Holy shit I feel so STUPID for giving $30 a month for this clown. I am so pissed, I hate myself for allowing myself to migrate my stuff all over thinking it would be fine. I am so fucking pissed right now.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

The American mind cannot grasp liking specific policies of a given party

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Whole cognitive dissonance thing is stronger in American than Russia at this point Putin's won. Can't even like a single policy idea that's good and talk about it being good. I'm confused why this is even a big deal and I fucking hate trump. I think half the morons on the Internet forget the way to manipulate trump is to praise him and then you can convince him to do good or bad. Or whatever. Hes worse than Joe Rogan. He just parrots the last person who stroked his ego.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

You can tell Andy is European because he does not understand American politics.

If you say anything positive about an American politician it means you will stan them for life and support all their actions unconditionally.

Likewise if you say anything negative about an American politician it means you hate everything they stand for.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

we refused pressure to deplatform both Palestinian student groups and Zionist student groups

Insane equivocation. One of those is a national and ethnic group; the other is a political movement whose pet project is currently on trial for genocide... "we refused pressure to deplatform both Jewish student groups and National Socialist student groups"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

“we refused pressure to deplatform both Jewish student groups and National Socialist student groups”

They are a Swiss company, yes.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I think that's the entire point of the comment. They are impartial even to evil. They respect privacy.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

He should not have @'d Trump. By doing this he is explicitly calling for the incoming administration's attention and signalling he's willing to play ball and bend the knee. Also nice try at obfuscation saying the tweet was from last year, jackass.

Additionally the company account doubled down on his messaging. I think dems suck too, but both sides are not the same. What kind of Swiss crack are they smoking to be able to pretend that the administration that created permanent tax cuts for the ultra wealthy, that I subsidize with my tax dollars, is a friend of the little guy? Or how about the administration that seated the court that bulldozed the right to privacy, while state courts pass censorship laws under the guise of child protections?

The guy is talking out both sides of his face and he's an asshole. While I don't think this is indicative of Proton's services per se I am no longer a paying customer.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago

I'm still confused how he could have been dumb enough to think, let alone imply, let alone say out loud, that Republicans want to reign in big tech, when they so transparently want to capture it and make it an even worse version of itself. It's not that everything they do is a cynical power grab, it's that everything they do is a blatant cynical power grab, and being in the privacy business without having a perfectly clear understanding of that feels equivalent to not knowing what a VPN is.

His statement here is great, and I support it whole-heartedly and unabashedly. It just feels almost...I don't know, unrelated somehow? Even though ostensibly it isn't.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If an employee did this and there was this much backlash that said employee would be promptly fired....

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not sure about that. There are a lot of right wingers who also use proton (ya know, like the right wing "libertarian" tech-bro types). If they remove Andy from the board, there no doubt Proton is getting labeled as "woke", they lose either way. Honestly, making political comments in the first place, is just a no-win scenario for a privacy-focused mission, which wasn't even that left-right partisan to begin with. He should have just STFU, and everything would be fine.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In the US maybe, in the EU? Only if you want to get sued and then forced to re-hire them.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

He isn't an employee tho, he's a member of a board of trustees of the non-profit organization who owns Proton AG. The other board members could say that he's veering off-couse from the mission of the non-profit and remove him. (But then this move could also angers the right-wing "libertarian" tech-bro types of people that use Proton. So this political debacle was gonna fuck up the trust in Proton either way, Andy should've just STFU to begin with.)

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