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[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Yeah, thanks. /s For turning Lemmy into a left wing echo chamber. Because we all know how good echo chambers (right or left) are. 🤦‍♂️

My favorite line from this is, "There were no vaunted ideals of free speech...". Because they said the quiet part loud. That was nice of them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Echo chambers aren't as prevalent or as problematic as you think. The biggest echo chamber is actually most likely your own neighborhood. The internet, even small communities, is where you're most likely exposed to diverse viewpoints. Shit, just yesterday I saw someone saying they were hurt by how we talked about Slavs. Where the heck am I gonna see that in Maryland?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I’ll admit lemmy is left wing, especially compared to sites like reddit, bluesky, voat, or any one of those fascist twitter clones like parler. But unlike the fascist twitter clones, I’d say many of the more popular instances here aren’t echo chambers, just spaces with larger overton windows.

there were no vaunted ideals of free speech

So? Even as someone who loves free speech (i am literally an anarchist), I recognize that speech has consequences, and sometimes those consequences are getting banned or defederated. This article talks about how not being a free speech absolutist makes a site more appealing by removing fascists, and lemmy’s issue with tankies by being more open to them. The second issue sorted itself out using federation and defederation.

I don’t think it’s a bad thing if people don’t want to see hate speech and wanf moderation. That was the feature that got me to join lemmy at first, beehaw was my first instance and was certainly the least toxic place I have found online.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The existence of lemmy.world which you're part of, proves that lemmy tolerates right-wing instances if you ask me.

Make use of the decentralized nature of lemmy, the devs won't knock at your door for creating or posting on right-wing instances.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

the devs won’t knock at your door for creating or posting on right-wing instances.

True. But they can also lock it. I see federation has a double edged sword.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Would you say like in the case of your comment, where the ratio skews heavily towards negative, something like having the thread collapsed by default or like hiding the score would be a better way to facilitate productive discussion? I think it works as a temporary middle ground (say the first 24H a post is up and folk's aren't completely decided, it gives controversial ideas a fightin' chance)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Maybe it's more that the majority of the fediverse doesn't tolerate far right bullshit and open racism, unlike the other reddit alternatives.