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Communities around the U.S. have seen shootings carried out with weapons converted to fully automatic in recent years, fueled by a staggering increase in small pieces of metal or plastic made with a 3D printer or ordered online. Laws against machine guns date back to the bloody violence of Prohibition-era gangsters. But the proliferation of devices known by nicknames such as Glock switches, auto sears and chips has allowed people to transform legal semi-automatic weapons into even more dangerous guns, helping fuel gun violence, police and federal authorities said.

The (ATF) reported a 570% increase in the number of conversion devices collected by police departments between 2017 and 2021, the most recent data available.

The devices that can convert legal semi-automatic weapons can be made on a 3D printer in about 35 minutes or ordered from overseas online for less than $30. They’re also quick to install.

“It takes two or three seconds to put in some of these devices into a firearm to make that firearm into a machine gun instantly,” Dettelbach said.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (12 children)

ban... everything other than bolt action restricted rifles, break open shotguns, and single action revolvers.

Well, okay then. There's your middle ground. Even if you don't go quite that far, one of the low-key wins the gun lobby has had is in reframing assault rifle bans as bleeding heart pansies who are afraid of a Red Rider and want to ban "scary black guns" without knowing what they are.

In reality, it's simply not difficult to define what an "assault rifle" should be with sufficient certainty to make end-runs complicated, expensive, and relatively simple to nail down later:

  • Semiautomatic (or burst or full-auto, obviously).
  • Can be chambered in a round with ammunition that has energy "X" with effective range of "Y" when manufactured using materials readily available to the industry, with that term subject to regulations promulgated and revised by the ATF.
  • Has a magazine larger than "Z" rounds or has interchangeable magazines, particularly if they can be made an arbitrary size. An integrated tube or box magazine is very different from an AR-15 mag that can hold as many rounds as the product designer and materials engineer can make work, and that was specifically designed to be changed in a couple of seconds.

Those are the things that make a "hunting rifle" into one that's mostly suitable for hunting humans, regardless of what material the stock is made from.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

"We want less effective guns! Disarm yourselves!"

"The Christo-facists are taking over!"

"They be starting trains for LGBT people!"

I'm a peaceful man, I am not harmless. You keep on being harmless. It's your right and I fully support it, and I mean that. Just not for me and mine.

things that make a "hunting rifle" into one that's mostly suitable for hunting humans

Did you know AR-15s are illegal to hunt with in some states because the rounds aren't lethal enough? LOL, a .223 or 5.56 looks like a BB gun vs. a 30.06 or .308. But you're OK with the hunting rifles!

As a liberal gun nut, I'm constant looking and asking for ideas on this issue. And BTW, you have sane ideas, kinda. But they won't pass 2A muster in the courts. So keep stumping for lost causes I guess?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

because the rounds aren’t lethal enough?

Because the goal is to kill the animal quickly with limited pain. "not lethal enough" entails every lethal wound that takes minutes and hours to kill instead of seconds. But for killing humans there is a reason why armies prefer 5.56 over .308 in most standard issued weapons.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Meanwhile, 5.56 is plenty if you are accurate.

And, the US military is currently adopting the MCX Fury as their new standard issue rifle.

That thing fires the .277 fury cartridge that is way better at armor penetration than 5.56 ever could be.

And the reason .308 isn't used as much for most military issued rifles is more to do with recoil and capacity than anything to do with the ballistics.

A .308 would be far better for killing literally anything than 5.56, but is mostly for use in semi-auto marksman rifles and some snipers. Where accuracy of first shot matters more than volume of fire.

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