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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (9 children)

I am really conflicted about this. On one hand I get that green policies are instrumental in stopping climate change before it's too late. On the other I know some people who work in the automotive industry and they all agree that we shot ourselves in the foot with this regulation. We ended up being the only committed ~~nation~~ block (whatever) while anyone else (namely China, India and the USA) kept doing little or nothing, token contributions if any, but few long run plans like we did.

Surely there is lots of lobbying from the car industry behind this EPP decision, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was also the genuine intention of many voters. Our industry is already falling behind, being the only ones concerned with green policies isn't helpful at all, it just allows everyone else to outcompete us.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I am really conflicted about this. On one hand I get that green policies are instrumental in stopping climate change before it’s too late. On the other I know some people who work in the automotive industry and they all agree that we shot ourselves in the foot with this regulation. We ended up being the only committed nation block (whatever) while anyone else (namely China, India and the USA) kept doing little or nothing, token contributions if any, but few long run plans like we did.

Someone needs to lead the way. How is being more virtuous shooting ourselves in the foot, exactly?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

How is being more virtuous shooting ourselves in the foot, exactly?

Let me clarify. It's great on an environmental standpoint, it's quite terrible on an industrial and commercial one. If we are the only ones imposing climate regulation, businesses and industries will move abroad where it's cheaper to operate. I'm not saying scrapping the green deal laws is a good thing, but I am saying that I can see the logic behind it. And it's not because of the evil capitalism either, it's a desperate attempt for European industry to stay relevant on the global stage.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

You are completely ignoring, that the automotive industries could have seen the writing on the wall and switch to engineering electric vehicles years ago. They didn't because they were complacent and now they are in trouble, because Tesla and the Chinese are leading the market. It's the industries mindset of "if we fuck up, the government is gonna bail us out, because it needs our economic power", that lead us into this problem.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

If we are the only ones imposing climate regulation, businesses and industries will move abroad where it's cheaper to operate

What are you even talking about exactly. EU regulations for what cars are allowed will be exactly the same whether the cars are manufactured in the EU or elsewhere. And carmakers already have different factories in different regions of the world to serve each market.

Honestly, without some strict rules for European and US car manufacturers to get their shit together, they're only going to fall ever further behind China, which has the biggest EV manufacturer already. Fossil fuel burning combustion engines don't have any future anyway, because fossil fuels are finite, the climate crisis is accelerating ever further and EV are getting more and more competitive (they're already cheaper in the long run for mid and higher class cars). Carmakers aren't being done any favours by allowing them to drag their feet and become ever more obsolete.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Scrapping the green deal is the worst case scenario. Because it's a very weak attempt to start with. It's too littke, too late as is.

Business as usual will cost many times as much.

Forget the economy. There's more at stake than the f*ing automotive industry!

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