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Israel ‘accepts six-week ceasefire deal’ as Hamas response awaited, US officials say
(www.theguardian.com)
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So, you don't want a ceasefire?
Being real, that depends on if Hamas and Israel want it. Seeing as Hamas literally has Israel's destruction in their charter, any ceasefire is only temporary
I want a permanent ceasefire and an end to the genocide.
Baby steps. Let’s try to stop killing each other, then we can figure out how to remain stopped and keep from starting again
Previous ceasefire for set times went right back to genocide, so forgive me if I have doubts about a longer one having better results.
Did previous ceasefire attempts get any agreement? Or actually happen?
One difference is previous attempts were negotiated by Qatar, which has some influence with Hamas, while this was proposed by the US which has some influence with Israel. There’s also building global pressure to end the atrocities.
Especially since your phrasing appears to blame Israel, surely influence with Israel must give some hope?
More importantly, all you can do is keep trying until it sticks. I really think that’s a pattern regardless of the country or the violence: first attempt at a ceasefire rarely works but if you keep trying, it will eventually.
There was a short one earlier on for a shotage exchange. Since then Israel leaned even harder into 'eradicating Hamas' while slaughtering women and children as 3/4 of deaths, forced Palestinians into smaller 'safe zones', and other steps in genocide.
That is why there is reluctance to give up the hostages for a temporary ceasefire.
And what terms do you propose that would be observed by Hamas?
I can confidently say that if Israel stops supporting settlers taking Palestinian homes, killing Palestinians indiscriminately, and no longer enforce apartheid Hamas would observe an end to violent hostilities.
It isn't like Hamas can offer more than not being the instigator of violence, and if your calender goes back further than October you will see that Hamas arose to power in response to Israeli violence.
Oh so you're the leader of Hamas, I suppose?
My calendar goes back further than October https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel
I see thousands upon thousands of rockets launched by Hamas at civilians in Israel.
Hamas are a group of authoritarian goons that are paid by bitter oil-rich Arab billionaires to kill as many Jews as they can. If they stopped the money would dry up and some other group of authoritarian goons with Iranian made weapons would take their place. Their existence is dependent on hatred towards Israel, without that they wouldn't exist.
They aren't the rag tag group of freedom fighters your social media feed has led you to believe. They're genocidal psychopaths that would slit your throat in your sleep if it would benefit them.
Hamas disagrees with you.
It's a nice thought and I'd hope the majority of the Palestinian people might... settle for that, but Hamas itself is founded on principles that are fairly extreme. Their charter is real rough, a paragraph early on about murdering all Jews everywhere is just the start.
Hamas has defined their government based on perpetual war and other problematic conditions. It's difficult to envision a lasting peace while they're still around.
They stated they'd accept a two-state solution in 2017, but honestly what they'd accept doesn't matter. They'd have two options: Adapt or go the way of the IRA.
They'd probably be pretty happy with an end to the apartide state
Hamas vocally disagrees with this.
Then I'm sure you won't have a difficult time finding a quote where they support Israel's maintenance of an apartheid state
"From the River to the Sea"
Ah yes "From the River to the Sea, we support Israel's apartheid regime", very famous quote. From Mr. Hamas himself I believe.
The reason there's a massive security apparatus around Palestine is not to oppress Palestinians or impose racial hierarchy, it is because they have been trying to murder Jews for the last 70+ years.
The violence against Israel is the reason for this. Hamas is a cause of the violence. They create the very situation they say they want to end.
If they want the walls to come down and the blockade to end, they need to show a commitment to peace, rather than a commitment to genocide.
Super weird that when you commit a genocide against a people and then colonise their land they aren't thrilled about it.
But do you condemn Hamas?
Sure, do you condemn the IDF?
They're being sarcastic.