Who even needs investigative journalists with hidden cameras when there's Israeli state television
this post was submitted on 20 Feb 2024
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"Only for a temporary purpose," says the person ignoring Palestinian suffering in Israeli prisons.
Here enlighten yourself by the words of Israeli Jews because the words of Palestinians like me isn't good enough for you:
The IDF keeps a Palestinian tied to a tree until 5AM: https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/videos/27690
Children younger than 10-12 handcuffed by the IDF for no good reason: https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/videos/48694
The IDF using Palestinian homes as a military point just to humiliate them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3DOZXEj0fA
The IDF torturing handcuffed and blindfolded Palestinians and posting it on TikTok: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugjKevmlsY4
The IDF waiting to ambush a TWELFE-YEAR-OLD child and then kill him: https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/videos/84876 (How brave!!!)
Children as small as 12 are in Israeli prisons for no crimes and with no legal representation. I thought that should horrify you as a lawyer. I really thought you would care about that π but I have lost all faith in you considering me or people who look like me to be human beings.
Have you ever heard of act propensity evidence? You're again allowing your emotional thinking to make wild leaps in logic.
Wild leaps of logic? That Israel is committing genocide and torturing Palestinians in a prison iin their apartheid ethnostate?
I often wonder how you take yourself seriously. These are examples of torture and humiliation performed by the IDF, the dossier is bigger than you can imagine, but you will conveniently wave that "act propensity evidence" card or that other "but these are just reports" card so you can protect yourself from the emotional impact of admitting that a genocide is underway.
If you can't even see what leap of logic you are making with blatant act propensity evidence, it's because you are not good at evaluating information, and I think it's because you have no ability to think rationally when you're uncomfortable with the subject matter. Why not leave yet thinking to people who know how to do it?
I think this is where you and I part ways. Your rambling about Israel and America not being democracies is a bridge too far for me. It's like you're a flat earther.
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Bud, are you fucking kidding me? How irrational is it to erect your own bias wall? "Democracy" is not above criticism, and "Democracy" without Palestinians is a racist farce. I never said current America is not a democracy, since everyone CAN vote. I said America when African Americans and women couldn't vote was not a democracy... And I'm saying that Israel, a racist apartheid state that jails and kills and tortures Palestinians because of their ethnicity and doesn't allow them to vote is not a fucking democracy. You can't do apartheid and democracy at the same time. That's fucking insane!
That would be insane. Which one of those two things are you wrong about then?
Neither.
Yes, it's all of political science who is wrong! /s
Political scientists say an apartheid state is a democracy? I don't think so.
Or, political scientists say......what's the other option?
You've almost got it.
You think all political scientists say that Israel isn't an apartheid state? Sounds like BS to me.
All of them? No. The overwhelming majority of credible, professional political scientists, though.
Are you sure? Can you list some of these?
Ample examples of the contrary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_apartheid
@[email protected] Oops should I just assume you were overwhelmed by the fact that political scientists, diplomats, and human rights organizations CALL THIS AN APARTHEID STATE?
Here is the link again if you missed it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_apartheid
It's just Wikipedia.... surely you will now admit you are wrong? Or will this all just be another "collection of reports" that you don't like?
Of course I'm expecting a long block of text where you dodge each point and beat around the bush and fail to admit the crimes of Israel.