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The fuck? The pro war propaganda is off the roof. Russia has turned it's whole economy into a war economy, and you want us to do the same? This is fucking insane!
This is not insane, this is what you do when being attacked and make no mistake Europe is being attacked by Russia this very moment. Honestly the naivete and complacency of Europeans is beyond words. No wonder the UK has left. Enjoy being fucked from both sides by Russia and China I guess.
You all want to simplify this conflict as an epic battle between good and evil. Except it is a conflict between two great evils by means that creates more evil.
It's the same insane cognitive dissonance I see in MAGA. Just suggesting that there could be a diplomatic solution to this conflict or trying to understand the motivation or demands of your enemy, will just trigger the instinct to call me a chamberlain or trumpist or putinist. All the "progressives" are just gleefully reveling in this glorious slaughter of war and screaming YES! to total war.
This is turning into a system war, do you want dictatorship to win or democracy? (even the terrible ones from UK or US)
No, you are arguing a straw man, I'm saying we can't expect to solve this for free, or close to it.
Russia is trying to redefine European borders by waging war against a peaceful neighbor, no way we should silently stand by and accept that, because if you don't oppose a bully, the bullying will get worse.
Also the increased help to Ukraine is NOT pro war, but an attempt to end the war on Ukraines terms and not Russia, who is the aggressor, and the ONLY de facto pro war country in this situation. Russia can end this war NOW, bu just going home!!
You are parroting Russian propaganda, whether you know it or not.
@Flumpkin
Supporting Ukraine (by raising taxes or doing whatever it takes Ukraine to win) and turning "the whole economy into a war economy" are two different things - and that's good, because Europe and the rest of the democratic world has no choice.