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This happened in Toronto on October 24th

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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The Elon Musk-owned automaker has a troubling history of owners getting locked in their cars without power. Some of these cases may be down to user error, since most Teslas come with manual release levers.

Of course, let's blame the users ๐Ÿ™„

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Now, now, remember correlation is not causation. Maybe it's not the unintuitive design; maybe a disproportionate number of idiots but Teslas?

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

In the case of the model Y referenced, this release is under a mat. You wouldn't see it in normal operation.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In case of emergency, lift the floor mat and input the 16 digit release code.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

The 16 digit code can be found in the "My Data" section on x.com, assuming your account has been linked to your vehicle.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

most Teslas come with manual release levers.

MOST?

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Yea the cheapest ones skipped the manual release for the back doors. Gotta deliver maximum value to shareholders!

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I don't want to be a dick but not using the mechanism to open them is user error.

But it does also sound like they aren't very well placed in some models. I feel like the manual release being the same as any car would make sense. As a fucking standard door handle.

I assume the no power locking is an anti theft thing. But if you're in the car already just provide a handle.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I will be a dick: this is one of those imbeciles teck-bro takes, always comming with excuses for big tech "but actualy.. "

If you design a door handle and people cannot open it: your design is shit. Point.

This was stupid when apple did it with the 'you're holding the phone wrong, idiot', it is criminal when it is done on a security feature.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

That's literally what I said

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It is because people don't get a full walk through of how to unlatch it later on..they might on delivery day but at that point people are excited about a new car and not paying attention. And then because they never use it, they forget it exists

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Just watch a video of how fast car fires spread into the cabin, and then ask yourself how often you asked someone how to leave a car in case of emergency before you entered.

Add panic and the fact that you have to remove a panel or look under the floor mat to pull a string away from you, and you maybe will understand how this is just bad design.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Oh I know it is not good. Even my Honda Fit has a messed up lock system, its almost like a sideways roller switch without a truly discernable lock/unlock position so in tu dark you can't tell if it is rolled forward or not. Messes us up when we are in the passenger seat and son:t have the powelock handy

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

if you make something with a door and the door needs a manual, your design is shit.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Emergency exit mechanisms should be designed in such a way that one CAN forget about it or never even know about it, then have it obvious, readily available, and usable, all for/by the dumbest motherfucker in existence, in an emergency situation.

The most common analogous situation is emergency exit door signage. Most companies do an annual fire drill, which isn't enough to really learn anything. Emergency exit signs are easy to interpret and anyone can understand what they mean and use them to get to safety, regardless of prior experience.

Vehicle doors should be the same. Tesla front doors tend to be easy and obvious to open in an emergency (I own one and front seat passengers frequently use the emergency latch instead of the door button), but the rear doors (for the people seated closest to the damn battery nonetheless) have ridiculously difficult emergency opening procedures.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I agree. Some people aren't level headed in a panic scenario. They need glow in the dark arrows like the markings on jet planes pointing to the canopy release

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Some? I'd say this applies to almost everyone.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So it's not an intuitive design. A major error by itself. Since in a panic a passenger who does not know the secret is stranded inside.

My sister has a tesla, I have ridden in it, and I have no clue how to open the door without power.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I get it, my friend has ModelS. He showed me the mechanical release, when I asked about loss of power. It is not intuitive.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If the door can't be opened easily in a panicked life or death situation, it's a design flaw and needs to be recalled and fixed.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Yeah like I said they should be a standard door handle.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Opening a Rear Door with No Power

You can open a rear door manually (if equipped) in the unlikely situation in which Model Y has no power:

  • Remove the mat from the bottom of the rear door pocket.
  • Press the red tab to remove the access door.
  • Pull the mechanical release cable forward.

Note

Not all Model Y vehicles are equipped with a manual release for the rear doors.

Opening the front doors seems easy enough in the user manual, but opening the back doors requires you to remove a hidden panel then pull a cable, but not all versions of the car even have that hidden panel. Assuming the one in this article did, the car owner would need to give a little safety briefing to every passenger if you want to expect them to know how to open the door. And I'm really not sure what you're expected to do if you have a kid in a carseat in the back.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

The backseat of a Model Y is like the world's worst escape room