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Over 250 years ago, when the country was founded, the founders knew better than to believe the hucksterism of religion.
It’s very frustrating that most people, even today, cannot get past the hucksterism of religion.
No, the founders were mostly ~~Christians~~ religious too. They just knew better than to trust ~~Christian~~ dogmatic spats not to endanger the stability of their infant country.
Edit to correct my mistake about them being Christian and to clarify: I'm not claiming the US is Christian in origin. It explicitly isn't, but not because the founding fathers "didn't believe". Deism is still the believe in some supernatural force, even if it presents itself as a more rational form, and not all of them even were deists. They just believed it would be better to separate their individual religious convictions from the mutual political ambition.
No, they weren’t. Many of the founding fathers practiced deism, and were barely even religious at all. Only some of the founding fathers were Christians, and not a majority of them.
Thomas Jefferson even has his own “version”of the Bible where any mention of supernaturality has been removed.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-founding-fathers-religious-wisdom/
Not correct and that article doesn't say what you said it does. It says of the 56 founders only one was ordained clergy. Okay.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Founding-Fathers-Deism-and-Christianity-1272214
You can argue about how devout they were and we can never know their sincere inner belief, but you cannot say they were not majority Christian. Even the ones people point to as deists were largely raised Christian. I'm glad they were not so deranged as to make religion a part of the new government, and that they had the wisdom to write the First Amendment, the one through which all others flow, in such a way as to prohibit establishment and grant free exercise. They definitely didn't want religious dogma to play any role in governing and rightly so but it is simply not correct to say that they were other than mostly Christian in their private religious lives.
None of them were Jewish. Three of them were Catholic. What else do you think they were if not Christian?
You cite Thomas Jefferson as an example, but actually he was Christian too. The actual title of "The Jefferson Bible" you cited as evidence of his non-christianity is "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth."
About it, he wrote "A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen; it is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."
This is, of course, bullshit.
Take your superstitious make believe somewhere else.
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Wtf are you talking about now. You got called out and proven to have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah block me and retreat into your little safe bubble.
Why is this being downvoted? It's mostly true. Perhaps it understates the reasoning, but it's largely accurate.
Not even a little bit. This is being downvoted for being bullshit. Bullshit, which you apparently believe, too, you know because of how effective the people who lie about this are at lying.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-founding-fathers-religious-wisdom/
That's not what I said though. I said they were Christian, which your link suggests would be an error, but more on the order of a misunderstanding than bullshit. But I didn't say it was a Christian nation, nor do I think so. I'm aware they intentionally separated church and state, I'm just saying it wasn't some enlightenend act of atheistic disdain for religion. They weren't atheists. They just weren't theocrats either.
I replied to your other post conclusively showing that you are not correct. You have more reading to do on this.
I’m sorry you insist on ignoring the fact. Therefore, I’m disregarding everything you ever will say.
I literally quoted and put in bold language that proves you are wrong, you absolute donkey.