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I'm starting to think moderates really do have that goldfish memory...
America has been a lot worse off than it's about to be.
We had actual slavery, we genocided the native inhabitants, women were property, we even burned some as witches for telling us what we didn't want to hear.
Emmit Till was brutally murdered as a child because a white girl wanted some attention.
We interned the wives and children of Japanese American while their husbands and fathers were drafted into our military.
Is shit gonna be horrible?
Absolutely.
But it probably won't be worse than America has ever been. And to stop fighting now makes zero sense.
Learn a lesson from progressives, it's been almost 20 years since we've been happy about a presidential election. That's never made us stop voting, it's never stopped us from working on the next election, and it sure as shit hasn't stopped any of us from complaining.
But maybe next time you can remember that the politically disengaged won't be motivated to vote by a candidate who chases Republican votes.
For longer than I've been alive the most popular excuse for not voting has been:
So when Dems act like Republicans, it just normalizes them and makes more people feel ok voting R, and depresses D turnout.
Please don't forget, or check out for four years.
Never stop voting?
Either progressives are a super tiny minority or that's absolutely bullshit.
Because you wanna argue that progressive policy is super popular but somehow progressives can't get their views in the Democrat party. And somehow despite always voting Bernie lost handedly in 2020.
If progressives exist in the number you think they might want to actually start voting in every single primary and general and actually take over the party.
Boy, you've convinced yourself you somehow are always smarter than everyone else.
At this point I hardly know what title to apply to who any longer, but for a large part those claiming the title of progressives where the loudest bunch clamoring to vote third party or stay home.
I consider myself lower-midfle class, not poor, certainly not rich. I vote to support school levies and public good works. I say tax the hell out of the ultra rich. Take a major chunk of our military budget and put it to Medicare and free college. All the same kinds of things these progressives ask for.
Yet when I say Kamela is the best realistic choice out there in this election it gets people all worked up saying I'm not better than some red hat looking to do evil in the world.
Why? This country is simply not going to turn into something resembling a Scandinavian semi-socialist country in one fell swoop.
We have actual slavery. It's the industrial complex prison system and it's about to grow substantially.
Oh for sure, I think if the migrant camps actually get built in time, the plan is for them to be held indefinitely while planned incompetence makes it take forever to determine if they're citizens or not.
All the time they're being "paid" $0.07/hr for manual labor.
But four years honestly just isn't enough time to do all that stuff. In four years everyone will be mad at trump again and even a bland moderate can beat him again.
Hopefully we choose someone better, but I don't think the DNC will let us choose.
I thought those camps were already built? Like back in the Bush era. They called them secure unused railway facilities IIRC, but if you look at them from a different perspective... They look like concentration camps at the end of rail lines, out in the middle of nowhere.
Most were actually built under Obama.
It's just nowhere near the capacity.
Like, wherever you went to Highschool had like football or soccer games, right? They had the infrastructure to handle that.
You could not schedule the Super Bowl or World Cup there.
I truly don't believe we'll be given a choice in 4 years. There are already talks of a 3rd Trump term. Even if that fails or Trump croaks, Vance is perfectly aligned to continue the mission.
By choice I meant about the Dem candidate.
If trump tries to cancel elections, large parts of the government and military wouldn't obey.
Even if he replaces generals with bootlickers, there's a lot of links in the chain of command till it gets to boots on the ground.
We just have to get shit sorted before warfare is all drones.
It won't even be worse than America was twenty years ago, when we murdered a million Iraqis.