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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The leftists here are absolutely convinced that the Dems just need to run a left platform and it'll be a landslide. What actually happens is that every time the Dems rely on the left they lose.

Next election the Dems will go hard center and likely win.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What actually happens is that every time the Dems rely on the left they lose.

Obama says what the fuck are you—oh it's that guy again. Just do your thing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ok: Obama ran on broad "hope" and having energy. It was enough after Bush's disastrous wars.

And btw what was his thanks for the ACA? It was to lose control of the house of reps for the next 6 years so he couldn't do anything else. Aka, the left never showed up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean Obama's term had like a third of the great recession and the brunt of its effects. According to Wikipedia,

While the recession technically lasted from December 2007 – June 2009 (the nominal GDP trough), many important economic variables did not regain pre-recession (November or Q4 2007) levels until 2011–2016. For example, real GDP fell $650 billion (4.3%) and did not recover its $15 trillion pre-recession level until Q3 2011.[95] Household net worth, which reflects the value of both stock markets and housing prices, fell $11.5 trillion (17.3%) and did not regain its pre-recession level of $66.4 trillion until Q3 2012.

It's a miracle he even kept the presidency in these conditions. See also: Biden's unpopularity even though he was by all means a generally decent (if genocidal) president.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

He won in the middle of it. But anyway, the point was that he delivered left policy. If the demand was so great, if it's this thing you see on lemmy "if they just went left it would be landslide victory after landslide victory" then that should have given him at least some victories in the next 6 years. But it didn't. The left never shows up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

...when was the last time the democratic party ran a legitimately progressive platform?..i'm not talking about vacuous platitudes, i'm talking about articulated commitment backed up by tangible, substantive, follow-through changing the nature of established paradigm?..

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Go through history: Carter told people to cut back and got fucking yeeted. After successive losses Clinton went center, as you do against an incumbent, on the economy and won. Gore when left with climate change and lost. Obama relied on “hope” and won after Bush’s disastrous wars. Hillary said she’d have a map room to fight climate change and lost. Biden went center, as you do against an incumbent, and won. Kamala tried the same “hope” as Obama, but she lost because “it’s the economy, stupid”. Every time they lost it’s because they relied on the left that didn’t show up, and they only win when they go center.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Our only hope is that trump is old and won't care about stealing the next election. His minions however may.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think our hope following this moment is obstructionism. In congress or by blue state governors or otherwise.

I'll be around for the next election if one happens, but I would suggest coming up with a plan B.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Filibuster is the only one and they will go around it.