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“This is a collapse of the Democratic Party.” Consumer advocate, corporate critic and former presidential candidate Ralph Nader comments on the reelection of Donald Trump and the failures of the Democratic challenge against him.

Despite attempts by left-wing segments of the Democratic base to shift the party’s messaging toward populist, anti-corporate and progressive policies, says Nader, Democrats “didn’t listen.” Under Trump, continues Nader, “We’re in for huge turmoil.”

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[–] [email protected] 131 points 1 week ago (60 children)

They need to fire the leaders of Democratic party. Find new blood and new direction. Swing to the right didn't help them.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (9 children)

The issue is the same with trump.

A lot of stuff is dependent on people "doing the moral thing".

The DNC is a private organization, and if they decide to keep making the terrible decisions they've been making, there's not a lot we can do about it.

Their platform for a decade has been "what are you gonna do, vote trump?"

So I really really think that today being the day after the election is the day we start talking about a third option in 2028. There's no reason to expect the same people who have been running the DNC to magically change this time or even just get out of the way for the best of the country.

We can't just "find new leadership" because when a Republican wins, the DNC votes for its own leadership and almost always elects the same kind of people if not literally the exact same people.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Fine. Then people need to do something about it. Because the people saying it this time didn't. Despite asking over and over, I found one person this year on Lemmy who said they actually worked for a third party's campaign.

And when you asked them which third party candidate to vote for, they generally wouldn't give me a name. If you can't rally around a single candidate, you will never win.

Also, I'm not sure why abandoning something is better than fixing it from the inside.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because fixing something from the inside takes work and time. And it's not like it wasn't happening (as much as I'm not a fan of it because I actually am one of the evil liberals people here love to complain about), people like AOC or Tlaib would never have been prominent voices ~20 years ago. But generational change happens over a timespan of, and I feel that it's very odd that I need to point this out, generations.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Starting from scratch takes as much work and time, doesn't it?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

More, and that's assuming you can ever build momentum. I wasn't defending the choice.

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