Donald Trump has been elected the 47th president of the United States, an extraordinary comeback for a former president who refused to accept defeat four years ago, sparked a violent insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, was convicted of felony charges and survived two assassination attempts.
The best news in the last three years! :)
I just hope that he will follow through with quickly finishing the war in Ukraine.
Perhaps if you're some combination of white, or straight, or cisgender, or neurotypical, or rich, then this is good news. For anyone else its dire.
I am Ukrainian. I have no idea whether Slavic people are considered white or not, but I am quite sure I'd benefit from a literal war in my country ending.
I'm certain you would! What makes you think that ending Russia's horrifying invasion is more likely under a trump-ruled USA?
Because dems have been funding this war since the beginning, and would certainly continue to do so? I think Harris explicitly said that she will continue the war (or something along those lines).
Trump said that he is going to finish it by forcing both sides to negotiate. (Yes yes I know, every politician's main job is lying. But when one person says that they will definitely kill everybody I know continuing the job of their predecessor, and the second one at least promises that they will not, whatever credibility that promise has in your opinion - I'm choosing the second one)
You mean funding the arms that Ukraine is using to defend itself? Or did I miss something and america is sending aid to Russia?
Yes, sending weapons and money to Zelensky's regime, which lets him to continue staying in power and terorrize Ukrainians by forbidding people to leave the country and kidnapping them from the streets to send them to the meatgrinder.
Right, I see.
He will. By fucking capitulating completely, and letting Putler walk all over Europe.
I'm sure he will, by giving Ukraine to Russia and letting them murder Zelensky.
Wouldn't happen, but even this is way better than giving it to Zelensky.
No way. I mean that would be awesome of course, bringing justice to that murderer who killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, terrorizing the rest for three years and not letting people escape. But that would never happen, USA almost certainly gave Zelensky some guarantees that he will be able to escape to USA after this war ends.
So Putin is better for Ukraine?
For Ukraine - I don't know what "Putin for Ukraine" means.. If Ukraine would be Putin's then it probably wouldn't be Ukraine but Russia (unless Putin would be a president of both countries or something..)? I don't think it would be good or bad, Ukraine existing or not doesn't change much IMHO, but I'm open to hearing your arguments here.
For Ukrainians - of course! The shit that Zelensky does to Ukrainians is exactly (and even worse than) what the west scares public Putin would do. Ukrainians on liberated territories(controlled by Putin) have way more freedoms than those on territories controlled by Zelensky's regime, including one of the most basic freedoms - freedom of movement and not being kidnapped on a street and be sent to die...
Yeah, that's a monkey paw wish. His "ending the war in Ukraine" almost certainly means giving Putin whatever he wants.
Even if you are right (I don't think so), so what?
How is this worse then what is hapenning now (to Ukrainians)?
Inb4 probably some delusiomal fantasies about how Putin is gonna invade the whole world, etc. :/
I recall they said the same about Hilter. It was called appeasement. Don't accept bullies demands. Period.
Then go sign up for foreign legion and go make sure Putin loses. Don't make Ukrainians die instead of you for your wild fantasies.
Make them die? They can surrender themselves right? As long as they want to fight I see no reason not to supply them with the means to usurp the oppressers.
Yes, exactly.
How? Surrendering in modern warfare is super hard, you will either be droned by enemy because they mistake your surrendering for attacking, or by your side for surrendering.
Sure, supply those who want to fight. You do know though, that people in Ukraine are given no choice? Zelensky forbade people to leave the country (and he is way more successful at keeping the western border safe than eastern one (that is, from people wanting to escape this hell) - weak against strong ones, and strong against weak ones). Zelensky's regime kidnaps people from the streets and sends them to the meatgrinder. If you care about "helping people fight against oppressive regimes" you should support those people, not the ones terrorizing them.
No, I meant Ukraine as a country could surrender.
I believe kidnapping citizens to fight is basically an express draft. Countries do it In times of war.
Not that this conversation matters. Neither of our opinions matter. Trump will stop support and they will becomes west Russia and I'm sure they will be kidnapped off the streets and drafted to go fight another war somewhere but this time not for thier country. USSR was soo nice before. I'm sure they didn't treat Ukranians poorly before and certainly will not now that they put up a fight for years embarrassing russia.
Well, it just so happens that I care more about people, actual living humans, their lives, and not countries.
I believe kidnapping people and sending them to die is kidnapping people and sending them to die.
Well, that's true I guess. Like most/all of the "battles" in comments. I just don't think there is something more I can do to stop Zelensky terrorizing people, other than try to convince randos on the internet to stop supporting his regime :(
I sure hope so, this is the only (realistic) outcome where my family and friends and every other Ukrainian survive.
I don't think so, that's just a scarecrow the west is using to continue the war.
Well, now Russia definitely does treat us better though. Those who are in the liberated cities are the lucky ones who can freely move around.
Let's hope you get your best outcome. I hope I am wrong for the sake of the people of Ukraine.
Thank you.
Ah yes, the usual undefeatable argument of libs/dems/whatever - if you don't like us slaughtering people you know, then you are fascist, dumb and most importantly a Russian bot and fuck you. 🙃