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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)
  1. Your right to swing your arm ends where my nose begins (metaphorically speaking)

  2. "Facts" and "Beliefs" do not share equal weight in ANY policy discourse.

  3. Whatever your religious beliefs (and you are welcome to them) stays at home when you are doing business or in any other way interacting with the public.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (17 children)

good luck defining where facts end and beliefs begin. ultimately science is a belief, even if it is evidence-based

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Science is not a belief, nor is it a fact. It's a set of tools for building knowledge by methodically separating models that work from models that don't. Facts can certainly fall out of scientific work, but it's a mistake to pick up any scientific work and label it "Fact". It's a constant work in progress.

Facts aren't that difficult to define, the real problem is finding universally accepted sources to communicate facts. None of us are going to be able to critically examine every single claim made by every single scientific theory, journalist, blogger, podcast host, ChatGPT instance, preacher, prophet, etc. And did that politician mean to say the words that came out of their mouth, or did they actually misspeak and their real intention was something else?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

facts actually are very difficult to define. imagine telling an alien about the fact that people stop at stop signs, when the alien potentially has never seen a road, car, or stop sign

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

I think the argument here is that you are going to have to draw the line somewhere. Instead of replicating every experiment yourself, you’re just going to have to take someone’s word for it.

You may trust a particular scientist, publication, journal, school book or another source. You may believe that what they say is reliable and… well true? Or maybe you believe it’s close enough, or at least it’s the best info we have at the moment, but who knows if it’s actually true or not. Either way, people choose to believe something about these sources, because you have to draw the line somewhere.

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