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A new poll suggests that Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein is drawing more voters from former President Donald Trump than from Vice President Kamala Harris.

According to a Noble Predictive Insights survey released last week, Harris holds a narrow lead over Trump in a hypothetical three-way race. With Stein on the ballot, Harris' lead expands, pointing to a potential spoiler effect similar to what many Democrats blamed Stein for doing to Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election.

For Trump, the emergence of Stein as a potential spoiler may be a critical factor in battleground states, where even a small shift in votes could determine the outcome. For Harris, Stein's candidacy could paradoxically provide an unexpected advantage, drawing votes from Trump and narrowing his pathway to victory.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Democrats will still blame Stein if they lose, and even though their explicit strategy is to pick off disaffected Republicans, they'll never blame Chase Oliver. It's just like in 2016, when Hillary used the exact same strategy, and they blamed Stein, even though Gary Johnson took home a much higher percentage of the vote in most swing states. They don't care about spoiler candidates; they just want to punch left, especially when they need a scapegoat for a loss.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What's wild to me is that they actually put out attack ads targeting the Green party, which tells me they're believing their own propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Because democrats are deathly afraid of any mildly progressive party getting funding and being on the ballot nationwide, because then their entire blackmail scheme falls apart. You can't go "you fucking better vote for us, or else" anymore.

The democratic party has been suing to take PSL and the Greens off ballots in multiple states (which also serves to cut into their budget, which is almost entirely small contributions). That's the party trying to save democracy apparently.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Many Democrat voters do believe the propaganda, and I imagine it largely keeps them in line so they don't start looking elsewhere. I've heard multiple Democrat voting family members and friends specifically state this year that they think "The Green party only exists to siphon off Democrat votes" It's not just bots. Media is saying it because astroturfing works, unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

This. As long as they have a base big and dumb enough to buy any and every excuse to go further right (and blame progressives for it), they'll keep doing it.