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We maintain a small fleet of RTK GPS systems (Emlid Reach RS+ units or similar). But sometimes they sit too long on the shelf and parasitic drain kicks in. The manufacturer recommends recharging every three months, but ooops, this one went too long. If the batteries are too low, the battery management system (BMS) won't charge the batteries at all when you attach the USB charger cable. In this case, the batteries were testing at 0.9V rather than the desired 3.4V.

Solution: open the device, expose a tiny bit of conductor on the battery harness, and attach 3V worth of alkaline batteries for a short period. Once the lithium batteries are up a little, you can then charge with the normal USB charger again.

The manufacturer does not recommend opening the sealed unit, as it voids the IP67 rating. And this is not a best practice. But it works. The above photos were taken in April and the unit has been trucking along ever since. Saved a few thousand dollars :)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

0.9V on a lithium cell? And it still charged? …

I wouldn’t be able to sleep under the same roof with these recovered cells charged again, being scared they could catch fire.

Next time just replace them, maybe upgrading total capacity if you happen to open the device anyway.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They're lithium iron phosphate chemistry, which typically draw down to 2.0V without problems, and tend to be a bit more forgiving. I agree 0.9V is low, but the cells were relatively new. Furthermore, no sign of damage or other typical faults associated with a failing battery, and my battery analyzer (from my drone batteries, same chemistry) approved it. According to my gantt chart, they've likely been charged and discharged 75 times since I brought them back to life.

Sadly, because they are a manufacturer device integrated battery pack, and the manufacturer doesn't sell replacements, my only options would be installing a third party battery pack or buying another device at $1500 or more. I'm happy with the battery recovery process though in this case.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks for sharing this.

It looks like the cutoff voltage for LiFePO4, the minimum voltage after which there should be a total power cutoff is around 2.8V. Discharging further is equal to more or less serious, but always, damage to the cell. It also looks like the effects of such over discharge might be less serious for LiFePO4 than it is for Li-Ion cells. However… doesn’t this 1500$ device have a Battery Management System, BMS, a small circuit to implement the cutoff voltage? What the hell?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Yeah, there is risk of some chemistry happening at really low voltages which cause irreversible changes to the structure of the material. Given how the battery responded to tests afterwards, I can only presume that these didn't happen. Short of dissecting the cells and putting them through XRD. Mind you, I do know a few people in the lab...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

the manufacturer doesn’t sell replacements

Me reading that: I wonder why they don't sell the replacement battery.

buying another device at $1500 or more

Me: Ohhhhh 😮‍💨

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Oddly enough, it's probably one of the best and most affordable devices in this sector. You can buy 10-20x units compared to the brand leader (Trimble). So I think they assume that this is how most people will operate.