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So then you agree that Trump deserves to lose too? He's already stated that if re-elected he expects Israel to make the Gaza problem "go away" within a week.
Whataboutism rather than acknowledging the Biden-Harris responsibility for genocide also counts as tacit genocide support. Please do better.
Israel started the genocide before we sent them a dime, it's not "our" genocide. Put the blame on Bibi and Likud where it belongs.
Lmao some people really do think October 7th was the start of history.
Ahem: no. You are embarrassingly wrong.
If you're talking the current genocide, yes, it absolutely started 10/7.
If you're talking the 1939 style ghettoization of Palestinians in Gaza, yeah, that's been going on for 30 years.
US support for this genocide far predates 10/7. The US props up the apartheid Zionist regime in all its racism and the maintenance of the concentration camp that is Gaza. It donates weapons, provides logistical support, sends a running stipend in the billions, provides diplomatic support, creates the PR and media consciousness for Hasnard to the point that a person might think the US didn't support this genocide until 10/7.
Instead of doubling down when you are obviously wrong, please learn this lesson in humility and act more appropriately next time so as not to disrespect yourself nor the pro-genocide status quo.
The Zionist entity only exists at all with its imperial sponsors. First the British then the Americans. Every JDAM used by the zionist entity to blow up hospitals and schools and mosques and churches and residential blocks was produced by Boeing and paid for by the US government. There is no delineation in US support for Israel re: October 7, just a quantitative increase in already qualitative support. Without ongoing American support they would not have even attempted their traditional terrorist bombing campaign directed at the civilians WMD infrastructure of Gaza.
Don't be silly.
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us-israel-sign-38-billion-military-aid-package-idUSKCN11K2CI/
According to a White House "fact sheet," the deal includes:
-annual payments of $3.3 billion in so-called foreign military financing
Deflection rather than acknowledging that one candidate is a blood-thirsty psychopath who sees an entire population as nothing more than a problem he wants to go away? Yeah I'm not the one who has a problem with reality.
You're not one for self awareness or rational discourse, are you? Comment thread summary up to this point:
Them: Initial claim
You: Deflection - responds with counter-argument instead of addressing original claim
Them: Objection to textbook deflection
You: Claim - their objection to your deflection is the real deflection
This is what happens when you learn to argue from television.
The irony. My last response was simply calling out deflection and telling you what it means in the face of genocide. You apparently believe that your deflections are topic changes and my refusal to engage with this playground logic is "deflection". Though of course we know it is because you cannot engage with the original point.
Please stop carrying water for gemociders. Your whataboutism lesser evilism is tacot support.
Really now? So you're just going to pretend that the current issue is completely the fault of the Biden administration? You're going to pretend that Republicans aren't also sitting in Congress continually voting in favor of these funds and weapons? And you're going to pretend that Trump hasn't already pledged to make things so much worse?
Your only goal here is to constantly point out that Biden is doing bad things and convince others to not vote for Harris. Which means your goal is to convince voters to vote in support of Trump, or not vote at all which still provides a boost for Trump. You pretend that you care about what is happening to Palestinians and yet your thinly-veiled goal is to support a candidate who wants to makes things MUCH worse for their whole country. You argue that anyone who doesn't see things your way is arguing in favor of genocide and keep trying to convince others that I have no interest in discussing the subject, yet here I am time after time directly discussing what the future could hold, but you yourself refuse to engage with anyone that won't go along with your strategy to make Harris look like the worst choice possible. Yeah the current US policy is really bad, I've never once denied that. Maybe you should stop denying that allowing Trump back in office would be by his own words much much worse. An actual discussion means talking about both options, not continually screaming the same thing like a broken record while ignoring what the alternative could bring.
Please do your best to engage in good faith and reply directly to what I am saying.
Please do your best to stay focused instead of finding new ways to deflect or be wrong. In the spirit of this sentiment, I'm going to ignore everything else you said because it is not germane to my point - the one you keep trying to avoid.
I would be more interested in entertaining your parroting of old and boring talking points were you not ignoring everything I say to you and trying to move attention away from genocide and support for it. You are now doing the work of light genocide deniers.
My team good, your team bad 🤡
Don't be dense, both teams are bad.
Yes fuck that [gereatric] nepo baby... Neither deserve to win but one of them will always win. It is the feature of the system that permits real owners to control the political system and the state apparatus.
Until we get some kind of ranked-choice voting or another solution that allows people to make honest choices, then yes, the system is working exactly as they intended.