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I don't know, I think they did a great service to every indigenous person in both Americas by revealing the source of all of their centuries of pain and suffering.
Yeah, because if Columbus hadn't discovered the Americas, no one would have, and the Natives would still be living free and unmolested to this day. Solid point.
Sure. And if Hitler didn’t exist, someone else would finish the job of killing off the Jews of Europe that had been going on for centuries. So Adolf Hitler absolved, am I right?
Straight to Godwin, huh? Not to mention it's hardly a good comparison. Spain and Europe's empire expansion philosophy as a whole would have led to the same result once the New World was discovered. If you disagree with that, then I don't know how to talk to you about this topic. It's obviously a totally different case than what Hitler did.
Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not saying Columbus wasn't a terrible human being, just that even if he was a saint, the outcome for indigenous peoples on this continent would have been the same. If you want to focus your hatred on one man as the source of all the suffering and genocide here, I'd probably go with Cortez over Columbus, but it would still be misplaced hatred
Cool. Another person who doesn't understand what Godwin's law was:
Which is not what I was doing, I was explaining how you are absolving a monster because someone else would have done it eventually (ignoring the fact that his atrocities were so awful that the Spanish royals even told him to cut that shit out, literally bringing him back to Spain in chains).
Even Mike Godwin thinks you've missed the point:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2013/03/godwins-law-mike-godwin-hitler-nazi-comparisons.html
I was literally putting something in historical context and literally talking about the actual Holocaust.
But the main thing is that Columbus was so bad that even people at the time said he was a monster:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/aug/07/books.spain
I'm sure you'll continue to try to do this silly "we can't vilify Columbus for starting off centuries of genocide and oppression because someone else just as bad could have come along," but hopefully everyone else will figure out that he was one of the greatest monsters in human history.
Now they know where to install the urinal