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[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago (15 children)

I guess Germany after the 30's (and maybe even after 1919), France after the whole Revolution and Napoleon thing, the UK after voting to KEKW their economy, Norway after being ruled by Sweden... The list probably goes on

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (9 children)

Which french revolution? ;) There's lots of people who saw and still see the whole french revolution thing as a net positive. The UK has never had a good proper revolution and it shows.

Napoleon did a lot of things, but those bad things were in line with the absolutist rulers from before the revolution, he just happened to be more successful at it. But he also did many good things during his rule. Fe, the Napoleonic code was hugely influential worldwide and a major change for the good. 2 centuries later it doesn't hold up as well in the countries that still use the same justice system, but for it's time, it was really good. Overall, I'd say Napoleon still has a stellar reputation, unlike India.

How was Norway worse after they last gained independence from Sweden?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

never had a good proper revolution

Are you forgetting or discounting the English Revolution and Glorious Revolution?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

I'm discounting that one yes. The powerful politicians that came out on top (all who were already upper class and power brokers beforehand), called it a revolution, but there was no class/societal upheaval, redistribution of wealth/land or anything else like happened in the many popular revolutions in Paris. It was just a change of government with some help from a foreign power at the end. A forced change of government or coup d'etat can alo be called a revolution, but it's pretty obvious that it's not the same thing as fe the 1789 revolution in Paris.

I'll refine my previous statement: what the UK needs is a good proper popular revolution.

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