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The Alternative for Germany (AfD) has gained ground in three recent state elections, caused an uproar in the Thuringian parliament and triggering another debate on whether to ban the party outright.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (32 children)

Banning the party isn't going to help.

Like I say of Trump, the AfD isn't the problem, they're a symptom. Conservatism and conservatives themselves are the problem – the question is how should we deal with them, and I really don't know the answer to that.

Edit: just to clarify, I'm not saying the AfD shouldn't be banned, just that banning the party won't change the people who vote for it and run it.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 months ago (7 children)

There is a difference between conservatism and being a threat to the democratic order. Germany has conservative parties that are perfectly valid, it's just that the AfD is not one of them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There is a difference between conservatism and being a threat to the democratic order.

I'm not sure I agree. More and more it's started seeming like they're generally just waiting for a moment to drop their masks; eg. here in Finland now that we have a fully right wing government, our "fiscally conservative" party started their term off by limiting the right to strike, and is now echoing extremist right wing talking points about eg. immigration, LGBT+ people, and the environment. They were OK with an extremist right wing minister leaving us out of Ukraine's "Alliance for Gender-Responsive and Inclusive Recovery" because the plan mentioned LGBT+ people, and they stood in the way of banning abusive LGBT+ "conversion therapy" even though they claimed to be against it back when they still had to be in a government with leftist parties (sorry, couldn't find an English source for this but here is one in Finnish. For translation I'd suggest DeepL, it's vastly superior to eg. Google). They are also blaming the opposition for "besmirching" Finland's reputation abroad, meaning they don't want anyone pointing out that we have literal neo-Nazis in the government and parliament.

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