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I'm not sure you're familiar with the way the industry works. Builders and investors are very rarely the same people. Builders don't care if the buyer is going to live there or rent the property. Your theory also doesn't account for the ~80% of housing that is owner-occupied.
This is also quite the take — it's very rare to see anyone advocate for more urban sprawl or suggest that building more housing units drives up prices. If you want to live in an urban area, density is good because it means there's more housing supply. Land is the only finite resource in the equation, so making less efficient use of it in the hope that prices will come down is... Well, I'll need you to explain how that math is supposed to work.
The fact that the entire condo market is built with investor sized units would suggest otherwise (or suggest that builders build what the market demands and if the market is all investors they will build investor focused units).
I agree, not sure where you saw that. Was it where I said that green belt policies are "very necessary"?
The point is that policies that combat urban sprawl have also increased financialization of the housing market, both my making housing a more limited commodity (which incentivizes investors to buy), and by making it impossible to build a house unless you're a large corporation that can afford to build a multi-tenant building.
We unquestionably need to combat urban sprawl, but we should also be addressing the effects that those corrections are having on the housing market by de-incentivizing investors and profiteering.
That's still fundamentally a supply (and by extension pricing) issue. Prices are high, therefore small units are the only thing people can realistically afford, therefore that's what developers build.
Here: "When we had urban sprawl, you could still buy cheap land on the outskirts and build your own house if investors stopped building new developments, but with (very necessary) greenbelt policies, it eliminates that release valve, putting the housing market basically entirely in control of investors who’ll keep it inflated to profit themselves."
How do you define "financialization" here, especially in the context of non-rental units? If we're talking about REITs, sure, but rentals are only a small part of the picture.
It also incentivizes builders to build, so as long as that isn't impeded, prices should stabilize. Unfortunately building is severely impeded, which is what I mentioned in my earlier post.
Again, this is a land value issue, not one of construction costs. Of course land is going to be expensive in an urban centre, as it should be! It's a very limited resource. it makes much more sense to have two hundred people living on a building lot rather than four. Hence my confusion about your desire to reduce supply even further in order to reduce the price of housing.
Not OP, but you keep hinging on the supply reduction that OP supposedly said (which he did not). He just explained the context of today vs the period of urban sprawl where land was cheap.
He is right that reducing urban sprawl and setting limits on what can be build where put upwards pressure on the existing land price, and that only corpos can afford to buy land to build multi-units.
The policies that densify urban region are good and necessary, but we have to make sure that the pressure it creates on land price is somewhat controlled.