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Jordanian FM: Arab world willing to guarantee Israel’s security if Palestinian state established
(www.timesofisrael.com)
this post was submitted on 30 Sep 2024
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Not sure I'd trust that guarantee if I was an Israeli...
It's hard to imagine why a cult of genocidal colonizers can't trust outsiders.
I was just thinking because it'd be the ones you'd want guarantees against. It'd be like Russia guaranteeing Ukraine's security or vice versa, neither side would put their faith in such a guarantee.
Yet it's the only way to peace. Germany and France put their faith into each others' guarantees after WW2 and created the EU. Peace is possible.
That peace only came after one side was soundly defeated and occupied. Not sure it makes for a good precendent.
The Arabs have already been soundly defeated and occupied. Multiple times.
TIL Israel has defeated and occupied the 57 Arab and Muslim countries mentioned in the article.
I'm obviously talking about the Palestinians and the Lebanese, duh. And as far as defeat, yes they have defeated also the Egyptians, Jordanians and Syrians, and a few others.
It's not just the Lebanese and Palestinians that we are talking about and they'd have to trust for the guarantees. Obviously the situation is nowhere close to France and Germany post WW2.
This is raising the bar to a ridiculous and silly level. Are you seriously going to argue for ...Algerians, Indonesians and Afghanis being threats? Their immediate neighbours to the south, west and east have normalized relations and are squarely within the Atlantic system. The Saudis and the Gulf states are almost there, too (had it not been for October 7th, this would have already happened). As the Syrians are basically a failed state, the only ones that are left are quite literally the Lebanese and the Palestinians. The influence of Iran hinges precisely on the legitimate grievances of these peoples. Address those, and you got peace. But you don't have the Greater Israel of the Israeli far right's wet dreams.
You are the one who made the comparison though
You were talking about Ukraine and Russia. That's two neighbours. My comparison is reasonable.
I was talking about how neither side actually trusts each other. You were saying with trust peace is possible, but the cause for that peace was that Germany was solidly defeated, occupied and had their arm twisted in the matter. It's not really the same as what the situation is as of now with Israel and Arab world.
I honestly cannot see how the Arab world's arm can be further twisted. Israel is the one doing the ethnic cleansing, if anything it's their arm that needs to be twisted.
That's what I mean, I don't think it will happen. Security guarantees from each other won't work.