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Wait, when did you guys get a carbon tax? And how?
The first federal carbon tax was enacted in 2018, but a few provinces had started (and sometimes ended) their own versions as early as 2007.
The wikipedia page is pretty thorough. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_pricing_in_Canada
Wtf, how is this possible? If your carbon tax doesn't convince your biggest polluters to divest from fossil fuels, you're doing it wrong.
The whole point is that it is not revenue neutral
The biggest polluters just pass the cost onto their customers by raising prices.
And their customers (e.g. manufacturers, transportation providers) factor in both those price hikes and the carbon taxes that they themselves need to pay, and pass those costs on to their customers, and so forth until finally end consumers are paying for several rounds of carbon tax that's priced into more expensive goods and services.
In many cases, there's nowhere for market forces to displace the inefficiency, so things just get more expensive without changing supply chains much.
That's fine. It encourages everyone to stop carbon
The point of the carbon tax is to stop carbon.
But it doesnt work. Grocery stores raise their prices to cover the carbon tax on deliveries, and the consumers pay more. Its not like we can choose to buy only bananas that were delivered by an electric truck.
If it costs you $30 to buy a banana delivered by fossil fuels and $1 to buy a banana that was delivered by sail boat, which would you buy?
I have neither option option. All bananas are delivered to my landlocked town via the same truck.
Bananas are probably a bad example because they are so perishable. They have to be transported in a very controlled environment. Theres no way youre getting bananas from Guatamala to Canada via sailboat and still having them be saleable.
How do you think you got bananas before oil?
Did we...?
I did a bit of googling. Turns out there were refrigerated sailing vessels in the late 1800s.
I mean, you can also dehydrate them. There's loads of ways to preserve bananas.
Uhh I dunno if there's any salvaging that hypothetical, lol... But if bananas start costing $1 each, we're in trouble.
Things that arent local and are produced with unfair labor must go up in price when those systemic issues are resolved.
No...it let's the large companies continue to pollute while passing the penalty off to those who can't afford to move the needle even slightly. This needed protections against this before the tax was levied but good fuckin luck getting legislation against Canada's ogliarchs that actually effect their bottom line