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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Nor do I even have to be the one to come up with a plan.

People that just complain without a better improvement in mind didn't actually care to change anything, because they've haven't shown that there's a reasonable alternative. Those people don't care if there's a practical alternative, they're just upset that it doesn't meet their specific needs. They just want to "speak to the manager" and complain. "It's not my job to fix it! Fix it!". If that's quote captures your stance, just lmk and it will save us both some time.

I actually even already gave a simple plan and you ignored it.

I didn't ignore it, I asked how it would deal with a fundamental enforcement of rules that steam has always done and you've ignored that, lol. Are you here to just complain or do you actually want to see if there's a better way forward? What's a feasible alternative to handle hackers and provide quality of life improvements like family sharing?

Your arguments that hackers are more important than a parent with a kid are selfish and stupid.

I'd argue that hackers are more important to valve because they implemented VAC bans almost 20 years ago. They just now announced a family sharing feature and you're pretending that steam was meant to be designed around the family to start, which is an uphill battle to argue.

And force Valve to ruin it for the rest of us.

First of all, it's already implemented this way. You're the one arguing for an alternative that could increase the number of hackers - if anyone is trying to force valve to ruin it "for the rest of us", it's you, since you're arguing to change the status quo.

Finally, don't want valve to "ruin" it for you? Don't use the brand new opt in feature. You have lost absolutely nothing - nothing has been "ruined".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

People that just complain without a better improvement in mind

As I said, you ignored it once, and twice.

I’d argue that hackers are more important to valve

They aren't more important to Valve; they are more important to people like you. And Valve just tries to figure out the best for everybody. Albeit badly.

They just now announced a family sharing feature

Go do some research before claiming such things. It has been a thing for many many years. And as far as I know, they simply reinforced their ruling on bans. My argument already existed for many years, but is now even more true.

You’re the one arguing for an alternative that could increase the number of hackers

Hackers buy and sell accounts for a few euros. On top of their €20/month cheats this is nothing. Most people getting VAC bans are the stupid ones trying out free hacks. Which mostly are kids. Who would have thought?

VAC is meaningless for the real hackers. And an account being used for hackers is easily spotted compared to an account from a parent sharing it to their kid. You keep asking for my solution, but my solutions are so obvious it would take a stupid person to not think of them. Hey here's one: "investigate the main accounts manually". I thought such ideas would not require a triple digit IQ to be considered obvious.

You have lost absolutely nothing - nothing has been “ruined”.

They already had family sharing where a ban upon the main account could have been contested. You could at least ask them to consider the age or stupidity of the person or family member using your library.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Go do some research before claiming such things. It has been a thing for many many years.

So that's the thing... The bans have also worked this way for that long, which further solidifies the idea that valve prioritizes banning hackers over being forgiving of cheating relatives...

Most people getting VAC bans are the stupid ones trying out free hacks.

Are the ones using free hacks not hackers? Seems like bans on them for hacking makes sense.

You keep asking for my solution, but my solutions are so obvious it would take a stupid person to not think of them. Hey here's one: "investigate the main accounts manually". I thought such ideas would not require a triple digit IQ to be considered obvious.

I'm going to propose that this would probably take an infeasible number of hours when you scale it up to the full customer base for steam, which looks like 132 million monthly active users.. Otherwise, like you said, it's so obvious, what else would prevent them from thinking of it and implementing it?

They already had family sharing where a ban upon the main account could have been contested. You could at least ask them to consider the age or stupidity of the person or family member using your library.

Hmm, I might be misunderstanding what you're saying, but it doesn't seem like the case. If a borrower got the main account banned, it was up to the borrower to successfully appeal.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

I don't understand your point. Nor do I even understand why you want to justify this.

I only see selfishness because you obviously get butthurt over hackers.

Besides that I see no empathy for kids and teenagers, and even less for their parents.

This is done and you are blocked.