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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

I've been thinking over this the last few days, and I do not see a situation where ev charging will ever be profitable enough for businesses to install them at large. I assume most public charging is DC fast charging so I'm talking about that.

Where do you put a charger so that is receives the most amount of use? Well that's easy, wherever gas stations currently are—but that's where the problems start. How many chargers do you install, and at what charging speed?

The theoretical max amount of money you can make in an hour is the charging speed x price/kW. So for a 100kW charger at 50¢/kW you're hard capped at $50/hr. I found a 240kW DC charger on aliexpress for $44,000. Using the 50¢/kW from above it'd take 36 days to break even, assuming 24/7 usage at the theoretical maximum. With a normal usage of around 6 hours total (i'm just throwing numbers out there) that jumps to 146 days. After 10 years of operating you're looking at around $1.2 million or a 2727% return

However, the time to break even grows and the return shrinks with the amount of chargers installed. And this is without factoring in installation costs and the power companies electricity price, which could easily cut that down to a fourth. I also do not see a charger going 10 years without a single repair.

I'm just wondering if i'm missing something here.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

There's also the idea of a Loss Leader.
People need to stop and charge. While they're there, you can also sell food, beverages, and all sorts of anything really.
Not everything needs to make a profit on it's own. Many stations couldn't survive only on fuel sales.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If I was planning locations for DCFC I’d target malls, shopping centers, etc. and not gas station. Virtually every Tesla Supercharger I’ve seen is located at the back of these sorts of parking lots, and for a very obvious reason.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

That's thinking of the charger as a separate business from the location its installed at.
The charger could be owned and operated by the local business instead.
I honestly loath the current app based "charging network" model. It's nothing more than another way to collect data and track people.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

This is also the idea behind convenience stores at gas stations. Pumps don't really give any income in for the owner operator, gotta sell goods that people have immediate need or urge for.