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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So what I'm hearing is EVs have a 60-80% lower carbon cost?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, if you are only considering the individual's carbon cost and power is generated via 100% renewable means.

Something like 80% of China power is fossil fuels. Admittedly large scale power generation is more fuel efficient, and I don't have the full numbers of carbon cost of manufacturing, but its important to keep in mind that carbon costs didn't just disappear overnight.

Another consideration is that Evs still drove car centric culture. If each EV saved 50% of a vehicles lifetime carbon, but it doubled the time for mass transport to be more widely adopted, lengthened the time for cities to prioritize other means of transport and city design, and means we as a society made 50% more vehicles did we actually save anything?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You’re forgetting the amount of energy required to extract, transport, and refine the oil. Refining the oil is especially energy intense. It’s not even up for debate at this point unless you’re a naive boomer taking in the Faux News.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago

If we go down that path you're also forgetting the energy costs of manufacturing, distribution, installation and maintenance of the renewable producers. Definitely haven't forgotten the need for a snarky comment though.

You can say "this is better, forget everything else" or you can look at the wider systematic concerns and solutions and actually succeed.