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Gender affirming surgery can be the opposite of health care, supporting what neuro-diversity thinks it needs is often harmful to that individual. For example, you wouldn't prescribe unlimited sleep for someone with narcolepsy.
The states has bad healthcare but this is a misleading article, and not necessarily in support of patient health.
There's been quite a few reports for this comment, I don't know if it's right to remove it, since to me it just comes off as misinformed more than anything and I believe seeing the rebuttals here, coupled with the original comment, is actually more helpful and constructive to the conversation.
Even so, I'll let the reporters decide if they still wish to hide this comment.
EDIT: I'll give it another 12 hours (ending 09:20) to gather feedback since most haven't responded, I'll remove if nobody says otherwise
I agree with this analysis of the reported comment, and chose to leave it as it has provoked a constructive conversation. It does not appear to be malicious in nature. I will keep an eye on this post to make sure things remain civil. Thank you.
Yeah, though I am still quite unsure, the majority were for removing: 2 that have reached out again, against none other than you who agreed on keeping, factoring in the initial reporters, 5, minus 1 who I count from before, I think I should still remove.
I'm actually past the deadline I gave myself but I want to hear what you think first
I appreciate your thoughts on the matter. I understand that the comment is not based on science and speaks of neurodivergence in a negative manner. By removing the initial comment, I believe it would take away the effectiveness of the commenters below. People vote with the down button and the user can see how unpopular his/her comment is. I don't wish to overly moderate a community if there is no active harm, especially when others have meaningful sub-comments that can help other casual readers understand the different aspects of what gender affirming care entails, hopefully enlightening others to see it is more than just for trans persons. I respect everyone's thoughts on the matter, even the ones telling me I am wrong for not removing it. I am still sticking with this decision. Thank you for everyone's input.
This is demonstrably false, bigots thrive on "just asking questions" which is a well documented trolling tactic, and the replies to their comment will remain even if you remove the bigotry.
But there IS active harm - you leaving these transphobic ableist comments up lets neurodiverse trans people like myself know that you prioritise your need for "neutrality" and "meaningful debate" (which is not happening here, you're just providing more platform for a bigot to spread their bigotry and misinformation) over our safety and inclusion.
Obviously you only respect your own opinion then.
Thanks for making it clear that people like me are not welcome or safe in communities you run, I'll be avoiding them all, as I'm sure others will.
But hey, well done you, you defended a bigot!
Like hair plugs? Or Viagra?
Kinda, but more dangerous and political
As someone with IH/N2 (idiopathic hypersomnia/narcolepsy type 2) extra sleep doesn't do shit.
Exactly.
What does one need im order to get a prescription for unlimited sleep? I gotta get on that
I've heard that there are lots of ways to help you take an infinitely long nap.
lol
Okay, i happen to actually have narcolepsy & be gender nc, and have a trans partner, i feel like i can speak with some authority on this.
Ever surgery can be, but gender affirming care is one of the least regretted surgeries in existence. By opening this way, you frame the argument as different for trans healthcare. Its not.
We're also not children. Dont infantilize trans people. We have the same right to make choices others don't understand, just like cis folks can.
And narcolepsy is a chronic inability to get delta wave sleep. Extra sleep is absolutely treatment. I can see what your getting at, but your choosing examples you don't understand and misinforming people.
I think we agree about surgery, which is kinda the point. And because of that trans healthcare is not different than other health care, that's also the point.
And I completely agree extra sleep can be used to treat narcolepsy, but it can also make things worse, which is why you need to look at all the options, balence etc.
Medicine is rarely a simple matter of one treatment for all issues.
An opinion that ignores all actual research.
Gender affirming surgery helps 99% of people who receive it! So sure, technically, there's a tiny minority who regret it. More people regret Lasik and boob jobs, should we ban those too? Many people regret a night out drinking, how about we ban that too. Drinking causes way more harm than giving estrogen or testosterone pills to folks.
On the other hand, I like that my friends have the freedom to express themselves any way they want. They aren't hurting anyone so let's let them be free to wear whatever clothes they want and take whatever hormones they want.
So join the side of American freedom and let's stop policing what clothes people wear or what name they use.
It's about risk.
I don't think many people are seriously suggesting banning gender affirming surgery, I certainly am not.
But to your point; yes it would be better if more thought, research, alternatives and wholistic health was put into LASIK, or alcohol, or even just food.
Both individuals and society would benefit, which is why many governments make medicine essentially free.
Is prescribing sleep surgery?
No but its giving the neuro diversity what it wants, which isn't always bad, but can worsen an individuals health.
You wouldn't prescribe complete isolation as a treatment for social anxiety, except in very extreme and uncommon cases.
Here's your reminder about gender affirming treatments like testosterone pills and jawline surgery and hair transplants: Elon got all three
Ha I wouldn't use Elon Musk as an example of someone who makes good decisions.
And i think he eats bulking powders enough for Arnold, but forgot the training.
Maybe take that transphobic take to a community that doesn't have LGBTQ+ resources as a pinned thread.
Could you please point out how their statement was transphobic? Basically, what they said is just that "gender affirming surgery can sometimes be harmful to health", and surely that's just a true statement, not even an opinion, really.
They are saying gender affirming healthcare is often harmful when the medical literature available says the exact opposite. What motivation do you think they have for misrepresenting available medical knowledge?
I'd love to see the double blind white paper that quantitatively shows that.
The thing is gender affirming surgery is for treating a mental state.
That means it isn't qualitatively different than other surgeries to treat mental states
That doesn't mean its bad, but it does mean its potentially dangerous, and counter-medicinal, unless carefully vetted and compared against nonsurgical treatments.
I didn't see them say "gender affirming surgery is often harmful", they said it can be harmful. Regarding "often", they said that "what neurodivergent people want is often hatful", which may be wrong, IDK, but is definitely not transphobic.
As for their motivation, we can't know. They didn't explicitly indicated and there's insufficient info to make assumptions.
"Gender affirming surgery can be the opposite of health care, supporting what neuro-diversity thinks it needs is often harmful to that individual. For example, you wouldn't prescribe unlimited sleep for someone with narcolepsy."
..... Brushing your teeth can be the opposite of healthcare. sometimes idiots mistake electric toothbrushes for dildos and shove them all the way up their ass.
Gender affirming surgery is healthcare.
The idea that trans is "neuro-diversity" is.... huh? Do you think gay people as "neurodivergent"?
Neuro-divergent people often have to advocate for themselves.
Doctors are educated more about the subject than a random lemming and are more suited to making medical decisions. The research says basically nobody regrets it.
Surgery is harmful. Sometimes the doctor has to cut you open. But the benefits are often much greater for the patient.
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It's ok, from all the downvotes and lack of genuine answers I already understood that asking questions here isn't encouraged and I should just treat this as a religion.
But if anybody eventually decides to sincerely answer my question, I'm still interested in expanding my knowledge.