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on our way to fascism (lemmy.ml)

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (15 children)

Fascism is a pretty specific ideology. If you want to learn more, Umberto Eco made a list.

I get where you're getting at: the role of past and ongoing colonialism is still being downplayed. But you're wrong. There are very good reasons why we should fear fascism in particular.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Umberto Eco completely ignores the material basis for fascism, which is usually the downwardly mobile petit bourgeoisie. Fascism takes advantage of superstructural elements, which is why Eco’s list contains the elements it does in a kind of grab bag fashion. But it still has a material basis, itself being a response to a crisis within capitalism. Would highly recommend The Jakarta Method for further reading on what people are discussing in your replies and in this thread.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Umberto Eco completely ignores the material basis for fascism, which is usually the downwardly mobile petit bourgeoisie.

The Nation, 2017: Trumpism: It’s Coming From the Suburbs

But scapegoating poor whites keeps the conversation away from fascism’s real base: the petite bourgeoisie. This is a piece of jargon used mostly by Marxists to denote small-property owners, whose nearest equivalents these days may be the “upper middle class” or “small-business owners.” FiveThirtyEight reported last May that “the median household income of a Trump voter so far in the primaries is about $72,000,” or roughly 130 percent of the national median. Trump’s real base, the actual backbone of fascism, isn’t poor and working-class voters, but middle-class and affluent whites. Often self-employed, possessed of a retirement account and a home as a nest egg, this is the stratum taken in by Horatio Alger stories. They can envision playing the market well enough to become the next Trump. They haven’t won “big-league,” but they’ve won enough to be invested in the hierarchy they aspire to climb. If only America were made great again, they could become the haute  bourgeoisie—the storied “1 percent.” 

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yes, that’s what I’m talking about. Funny how Trump is a fascist no matter what definition you use.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Trump isn't a fascist. In action he is actually a pretty standard reactionary liberal. You will notice that Biden has continued the salient policies that made liberals call him a fascist, such as extreme and horrible border policies (Dems actually outflanked the GOP on this from the right), anti-China policy, and extending militarism (like maximum pressure on Russia via Ukraine).

He's mostly just openly racist whereas the political class usually wraps itself in polite jargon bullshit before it fucks with a bunch of brown people.