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Algerian Imane Khelif wins boxing gold medal after her gender was wrongly questioned (www.nbcnews.com)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I didn't change it. Aren't we discussing the arbitrary nature of the gender binary and the intersection of biology, genetic diversity, and ability?

I didn't force a conversation. You are free to leave. Amd I'm pretty sure you are the one who started the confrontation.

You won't do research to further your knowledge on this subject because you aren't competent enough to do so. Idk why you're even attempting to argue at all here.

Per the source, Ledecky beat Phelps.

Yes, regressive like fascists and every other terrible person who can't fathom a better world so they make us all miserable with the status quo. Thanks

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Aren't we discussing the arbitrary nature of the gender binary and the intersection of biology, genetic diversity, and ability?

No. You are, maybe. I am discussing the way certain characteristics relate to categories currently used in sport. You started from here to then contest categories themselves, which in have no problem with, recognizing they have obviously limits and they are simply ok-ish proxies.

Amd I'm pretty sure you are the one who started the confrontation

I started a discussion. You turned every single topic of conversation in a polarizing discussions between two opposite sides, despite me being fully open to a lot of your ideas (like for example that categories are arbitrary, that limits are mostly arbitrary especially considering genders are a spectrum, etc.). You constantly force a me vs you fight, which pushed you to actually misrepresent my opinion a couple of times (remember when you claimed I am gender deterministic and see it as fully binary, few comments down from when I said the exact opposite?).

Per the source, Ledecky beat Phelps.

Bad faith 100%. You just made a rant of few lines about how I refuse to make research to further my knowledge (brb, taking a biology degree in between comments), and yet you deny reality about something so simple that doesn't even require research, it requires basic math and a pinch of common sense.

Yes, your source shows the the personal best for Phelps for a race he did once, when he was 15 is (few seconds!) slower than Katie Ledecky peak performance record. I told you, I run faster the 100m than Bolt when he was 5, so I am faster than Bolt. I actually also outrun my mom's car when it was without fuel, so I am faster than cars and I ride faster than the winner of the Tour de France when he was learning to bike, so I am faster than him! You can prove anything if you use a shitty enough comparison!

I won't even try to convince you, because it's clear you are not here with the intellectual honestly to say "yep, my claim was bullshit", I will just lay it out as it is to show how ridiculous your argument is. In fact, the source you showed could be used by anybody with a bit of honesty to prove the opposite: if Phelps at 15, without it being his specialty, could swim only a few seconds slower than Ledecky in her main specialty at peak performance, it is clear that men have advantages in swimming!

Yes, regressive like fascists and every other terrible person who can't fathom a better world so they make us all miserable with the status quo.

Yes, exactly like that, it makes perfect sense. It's obvious that anybody who didn't welcome without questions your proposal (which is based on solid science and of course deep, deep understanding of all sports - see above for example swimming!) is a regressive fascist who hates a better world. That's how the world works!