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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Have you seen the two hour video by Shaun on the books? I highly recommend it for a look back on the books and the issues that we couldn't have picked up on as kids but are pretty obvious on a reread.

They're not as great as we remember them to be (if I have to read the phrase "mannish hands" or another word about a 16 year old girls "square jawline" again I think I might vomit) and if the best parts of the world are the bits created in spite of the author, why continue to associate it with her work. Obviously, it's easier said than done when you're talking about an entire community, but there's plenty of other worlds created by nicer authors.

The best thing to come out of the series was the cast from the movies being as cool as they are today, but any time I think of the world, all I can think of is the token diversity characters named things like Shacklebolt and Cho Chang (almost, but not quite Ching Chong), the young Irish boy obsessed with whiskey and explosives, and the defense of slavery that's identical to arguments from actual slave owners in the US.

Plus, there's the whole thing with the hook-nosed bankers that totally aren't Jewish stereotypes. You know who created a fantasy race based on Jews that doesn't feel like an offensive stereotype? Tolkien. Tolkien's dwarves are based on Jewish stereotypes, but don't come off that way at all because of how they're presented in the world.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (5 children)

While I agree with you in most things (especially the jewish stereotype, yikes) I must call you on the defense of slavery. I always got the impression we weren't supposed to agree with the magic world view of house elves. I think the only point of Hermione going over the top was showing how something so hideous had become so normalized and accepted by good people in the magic world. Hermione being an outsider sees how fucked up it is and calls it.

Things are not black white. As fucked up as JK Rowling is, it doesn't mean everything she says is bad. She tried to make some good points...others sucked ass. It is what it is.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (3 children)

One of the only freed house elves we hear about literally drinks herself to death because she can't 'handle' freedom, which was a defense of slavery back in the day.

Also, even more eerily, Joanne has tried to retcon Hermione as black. When you then read her as the only character to try and free the house elves, something everyone makes fun of her for, it becomes EXTREMELY unsettling. Even if she weren't black, it's upsetting, and not because we're meant to see how problematic the Wizarding World is. May I remind you, Harry also thinks she's being crazy for trying to free them, and he's just as much of an outsider as she is. When all characters from all walks of life in a work believe the same thing like this, it feels very much like it's the author who believes it and is putting it into the work.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The other freed house elve Dobby is portrayed as a good meaning, but over the top eccentric, quite literally wearing a dozen hats in book 4.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Not the person you're originally replying to, I think they're agreeing with you

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