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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Can you summarise?

There is no unequal exchange. Workers in more developed countries get paid more because they produce more per hour. There are statistics showing the amount of steel or the amount of grain produced per man-hour of labour in India might be 10-100 times lower than in the USA or UK (because workers use more technologically advanced tools).

Hickel's paper says "We find that Southern wages are 87–95% lower than Northern wages for work of equal skill." – but a worker of equal skill working a big induction furnace to a worker using a charcoal furnace produces more. He does more socially-necessary-labour per labour-hour.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

There is no unequal exchange. Workers in more developed countries get paid more because they produce more per hour.

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There are statistics showing the amount of steel or the amount of grain produced per man-hour of labour in India might be 10-100 times lower than in the USA or UK (because workers use more technologically advanced tools).

The important question to ask here, if we want to work within this model, is why countries in the periphery do not use the labour techniques and tools used by by centre?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's a more classically Marxist way of looking at it.

Marx locates the origin of exploitation in the wage system.

I don't think you'll find unequal exchange mentioned in Marx or Engels.

Can we abolish exploitation by trade treaties? Or do we need to abolish capital?


Not sure which side of the debate I am on, still pondering.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I've updated my first response.

But as for looking at it in a Marxist way (obviously you are correct in that Marx did not mention unequal exchange, the chapter of Capital based on international trade never saw daylight and it is impossible to know what Marx would've written), Samir Amin came up with two accumulation models.

I have proposed two accumulation models, one involving the center and the other the periphery. The model involving the center is governed by the articulation of Capital’s two Departments, I and II, which, by that fact, expresses the coherence of a self-centered capitalist economy. Contrariwise, in the periphery model, the articulation that governs the reproduction of the system links exports (the motive force) to (induced) consumption. The model is “outward-turned” (as opposed to “self-centered”). It conveys a “dependence,” in the sense that the periphery adjusts “unilaterally” to the dominant tendencies on the scale of the world system in which it is integrated, these tendencies being the very ones governed by the demands of accumulation at the center...

These conditions, governing accumulation on a world scale, thus reproduce unequal development. They make clear that the underdeveloped countries are so because they are super-exploited and not because they are backward...

The “two models,” nonetheless, constitute but a single reality, that of accumulation operative on a world scale, and characterized by the articulation of Marx’s Departments I and II—grasped henceforward at the global scale and no longer at the scale of societies at the center. For the periphery’s exports, at this scale, become constitutive elements of constant capital and variable capital (whose prices they lower), while their imports fulfill functions analogous to those of Department III: that is to say, they facilitate the realization of excess surplus-value.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Hmm, interesting... Thanks. I keep coming onto Hickels' papers as I have colleagues that look at similar things. Will take a look.

Note: https://cosmonautmag.com/2023/07/in-defense-of-unequal-exchange-critique-of-paul-cockshotts-first-worldist-ignorance/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

there's a whole debate going on

the 3rd link I posted (https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=OD-7o1jLxc8) is a reply to that cosmonaut article