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PSA: Grayjay is really good (lemmy.zip)

submitted 3 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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cross-posted from: https://sopuli.xyz/post/15242858

Saw Louis Rossmans original video on the app and figured (and it may well have been) it would be buggy and awful at that point. Decided to gike it a try, the app has all the options I could want for watching youtube, it's multiplatform to a much greater degree than Newpipe and it's forks.

The reason I don't ever expect to go back to Newpipe or Libretube is the plugins update through the app, meaning I can get bypasses to YouTubes bullshit as fast as they're developed.

Newpipe is usually updated quickly, but in my experience forks like Tubular that include sponsorblocks often delay me from getting that update.

Overall, very good experience so far!

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Grayjay isn't even "open source" according to the OSI. Do your own research instead of just believing what some Youtuber says. I respect what Louis is doing from a consumer protection perspective but he really should be more transparent about licensing

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The source is available. The source is open. OSI can go take a flying leap. Purity testing sycophants such as yourself are a boat anchor on forward movement (source: am an open source developer).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And that is why I dislike the term "open source." It has no meaning in reality and is basically means source code available. Windows XP is open source.

I'll make a post later on explaining why the Grayjay license is problematic. In short you should read the license just like Louis says.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I have read the license. I read it when it first came out. Open source is open source. You don't get to move the goal posts like the OSI has. You wanted the source to be available so that you could have a look at it and make sure nothing nefarious was going on or at least be able to tell what it does. You can, therefore be happy, and be quiet.

All of the stuff that I develop is the type of open source that you like, that said, you don't need to try to browbeat developers into licensing terms that they don't like. If they want to keep their source proprietary then that is fine as long as they make it available for others to have a look at.

Stop purity testing this crap. You do the entire movement a disservice by being a pedantic butthole. Furthermore you make people like me not want to make the source available to people like you. You damage the entire image, and you don't even realize it.

The license isn't the problem. You are.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If anyone is moving the goal posts it would be FUTO. They were the ones who put arbitrary restrictions in the license.

I hate to break it to you but but both Open source and libre software have definitions that Grayjay fails to meet. FUTO now calls the license "source first" which is a bit better as it is at least unique.

Also influencers are a cult. You will fight to defend whatever your favorite idol says without thinking for yourself. I also disagree with people who worship people in free software such as Richard Stallman. I agree and and disagree with Stallman just as I agree and disagree with Louis. You should be critical of anyone who proclaims themselves to be a source of truth. Louis welcomes criticism but he also refuses to accept any disagreement. Power corrupts no matter how good the intentions are. I think Louis has done a lot of good but he is not a saint

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

What the fuck are you on about? I don't follow Rossman, I don't even like him. I do like his product though. Dude has some weird ass libertarian leanings that are "eyebrow raising", if I'm being generous.

The fucking OSI does not get to define open source however it wants. Open source means the the source is open to the public. FULL FUCKING STOP. The OSI co-opted the term open source, and people like you fell in line. What is it with people like you and purity testing software? That's fucking weird.

I'm fucking sick of turbonerds with toxic opinions and zero coding skills telling developers what they need to do with their own code. The fact that they can't code is more or less irrelevant, but it highlights how much more bullshit their stance is. If you want to control a license then write some fucking code and you can license it however the hell you like.

We do agree in one key area though, "influencer" is a cult, or something very close to it. This whole parasocial relationship bullshit is actively harming society at large. You can thank YouTube for fucking these things up btw. Other services have followed, but it's YouTube's (Google's) insatiable lust for power and monopoly that have crippled society and possibly irreversibly damaged it.