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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (5 children)

That is a lovely picture you are painting but there is certainly no evidence we "built a paradise" for ourselves. There would still be famine, struggle for resources, war and uncountable problems in the daily struggle for survival.

It's not as simple as "past good, present bad".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

There was always struggle over territory. Generally non lethal, just like predators facing off

There was no war. War requires agriculture - an army cannot march or camp without food constantly being shipped in

Famine also is usually due to agriculture - monocultures and short-sighted management of the environment.

There were hard times. Droughts happened, sickness happened, people were not always very cool to each other. These things weren't done on institutional scale, because the only institutions were meetings between groups occasionally sending representatives

The more I learn about ancient history, the more I realize we fucked everything up societally. Technology is great, and yes we have a lot less mothers dying in childbirth... Except we didn't for most of recorded history (and we're backsliding), because literal childbirth in the woods was better than delivery in a hospital until a century ago

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It is very likely that there has always been war. Those have been documented even between chimpanzees and those fights absolutely were lethal. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

This was very interesting. I have not heard of this before. A good example to not get too caught up in this "nature is perfect" thinking.

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