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Vance is one of Trump's most vocal supporters and an outspoken critic of U.S. aid to Ukraine.

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Vance has said that it would be "completely irresponsible" for Ukraine to join NATO. He has also argued for the U.S. to focus solely on preventing Chinese expansion, even if that means sacrificing sovereign Ukrainian lands to Russia.

"Any peace settlement is going to require some significant territorial concessions from Ukraine, and you're gonna have a peace deal, because that's the only way out of the conflict," Vance said in February.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago (3 children)

What's the lead time on T-shirt printing these days?

Should I get the "Hang JD Vance" shirts printed now so I've got them ready to sell, or wait until Trump inevitably turns on him?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Picture of him.

DON'T MISS

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Vance is going to push Trump down a flight of stairs his first five minutes in office. He's going to invoke the 25th amendment so fast it'll make your head spin.

The guy has absolutely no interest in being VP and his buddies in Silicon Valley are already chomping at the bit for a Techbro Coup. He's not going to wait 3 hours much less 3 days.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The concept of a Techbro coup is so fucking absurd to me. Like I can recognize it as a threat, but also I suspect it would last a whole of five seconds until you have a pile of Techbro corpses. Mostly cause Techbros are the dumbest motherfuckers and only have soft power, add on to the fact that nobody fucking likes them and well theres a good chance theyd be mulched.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I think you're taking "coup" here too literally. Its implied that it'll be a political coup, not an actual violent one.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Like I can recognize it as a threat, but also I suspect it would last a whole of five seconds until you have a pile of Techbro corpses.

Plenty of the coups in Latin America and the Middle East during the 50s and 60s were sponsored by these bean-counters and their billionaire buddies working out of various right-wing think tanks. The Chicago School of Business produced legions of these fuckers and flew them out from Mexico City to Santiago to Brasília. The Saudi Crown Prince MBS has absolutely inundated himself with these freaks in his quest to build the world's most technologically advanced shopping mall. New Zealand is currently drowning in Techbro fascism, after their local media was hijacked by the far right and the residents talked into electing a white nationalist government.

Hell, states like California and Texas and Florida are already thick with these ghouls. That's a big reason why our energy prices are skyrocketing in these states. Techbros build these enormous power-hog data centers and jack up the price of electricity for everyone else.

Techbros are the dumbest motherfuckers and only have soft power

They have a great deal of institutional power through contracts with federal and state governments. They're embedded deep in the post-War on Terror panopticon and own huge stakes in private media, so they get to dictate a lot of what we see and hear while distorting public outcries and SWATing political dissidents.

Techbros aren't the brightest, but cops are way dumber and more easy to manipulate. And as our domestic budget increasingly becomes "Oops! All Cops!" that means obedience to the Techbro Establishment is how you make money and keep your job, especially as law enforcement.

That's huge leverage in a system that already favors extremist ultra-nationalist white supremacy.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Dont take my amusement as dismissal, its foolish to underestimate ones enemy. Everything you said is decently true, hell I should know my great grandfather helped run the proto Techbros out of the region back in the 70s. No the weakness of the fascistic Techbro is that they are inherently institutional, anything that works outside of it or doesnt follow procedures is inherently at an advantage against them. Do you really think Musk or Thiel consider that someone may just blow them up with a car bomb or shoot them point blank with a 12 gauge?

Their power is drawn from the institutions making them inherently a secondary power behind the actual fascist leadership. They have influence dont get me wrong, but it is unlikely that they could hold a fascist government together. The fascist respects strength, but the Techbros have none. They hide behind laws, money, and influence.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

They have influence dont get me wrong, but it is unlikely that they could hold a fascist government together.

That's just fascism generally speaking. You either liberalize or you fail. A paranoid personality cult of an administration can't last long without people Operation Valkyrie-ing each other, as evidence by Trump's ear going missing last weekend.

But in the meantime, you get to restructure the liberal order so that your people are in charge when the dust settles.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The point I am trying to make is that to even get to the point where they can set shit up for the future they first must get past the first hurdle of consolidation. Very few Techbros can develop the personality cult required, even the ones with a personality cult are still not strong enough in personality to grow it, look at musk for an example. They are dangerous but mostly as the backers of a fascist, by themselves theyre less dangerous than a sleep deprived redneck with a shovel.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Very few Techbros can develop the personality cult required, even the ones with a personality cult are still not strong enough in personality to grow it, look at musk for an example.

That's why they introduce guys like Vance, though. He's a great front-man for the operation because liberals continue to treat him as just another moderate midwestern politician. And he's proven his star power, with his movie and book deal.

They are dangerous but mostly as the backers of a fascist, by themselves theyre less dangerous than a sleep deprived redneck with a shovel.

I guess we'll see...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Yeah I feel like we agree and its just down to specifics and minutia at this point. Good discussion though dude.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

3 to 10 days. Quantity? Colors? Cotton weight ?