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Hunting with a Kriss Vector is... a choice.
This whole table just looks like the Modern Warfare 2 load out selection.
It does make one wonder why, when the police lay out the range of firearms that a bunch of Gravy Seal terrorists bring to the beginning of their war against the government, it is never a table of Smith and Wesson oak stocked hunting rifles. It's because they watch too many movies made in the US and play too many shoot-em-up video games and want to play soldier. THAT is the reason that this type of firearm is being banned. It's not because of how they look but because of the type of people who want to own them and why they want to own them. I have absolutely zero concern that the government is ever going to come for my guns because I didn't buy them to feed into my part of the collective murder fantasies of the anti-government nutjobs.
And this exactly is the issue with gun bans. Just because something looks scary to you, or looks like it's from a videogame doesn't mean it's more capable than other guns, or that it isn't used for hunting.
I have always found this to be a funny argument.
"You have two guns that are of the same caliber, fire the same cartridge, have the same rate of fire, and the same killing power but one is non-restricted few one is prohibited. I should be able to own the prohibited one."
Why? You can get the exact same function from the non-restricted one. The only difference between the two is how they look.
I, a 40 year legal gun owner, believe that it is because of how people think the restricted firearm makes them look and how they think it makes other people feel about them.
How about this. This is an idea that I've proposed to people many times. You can keep those firearms but every part of the firearm, everything that goes into or onto the firearm, everything associated with the firearm has to be hot pink. Possessing a firearm or anything associated with a firearm that is supposed to be hot pink but isn't means you instantly and permanently lose the privilege of owning forearms in Canada. Selling or repairing any firearm or anything associated with a firearm that is supposed to be hot pink means you instantly and permanently lose you license to sell or repair firearms in Canada. Allowing any firearm or anything associated with a firearm that is supposed to be hot pink but isn't onto your range means that you instantly and permanently lose you licence to operate a range in Canada.
The only difference between the firearm now and in my proposal is the colour.
I don't give the first fuck what color the gun is that I'm shooting at the range. I'm prefectly happy to shoot a hot pink or neon green or day glow orange gun.
Imagine you own the "restricted" gun or a similar family of guns. Then they suddenly get banned and you need to get rid of your actually worthless guns, because nobody will buy them now. A collector could be down thousands.
You are saying "hot pink" like that's not an insane approach to it. You are still doing the exact same thing that the people who want to ban guns are doing. You are mandating a change of form of how the firearm looks. How about not doing that and letting people own the guns they want to own, if they are using them for hunting, sport, etc? How about not banning the "scary" guns for their looks only?
Gun ownership in Canada is a privilege, not a right. That privilege can be modified at any time. Automatic firearms were made illegal. High capacity magazines were made illegal. The government responds to the will of the people and most Canadians support the banning of handguns and military style weapons.
The guns aren't being banned for the way they look but because of the type of people who buy them for the way that they look and the fantasies that they have about using them like the assholes who took a trailer load of military style weapons and thousands of rounds of ammunition to a "peaceful" protest because the UN and/or China were going to invade Canada.
If you want to have fantasies of rising up against the gubment or shooting Liberals just substitute an oak stocked hunting rifle into that fantasy.
If there is an equivalent gun with identical performance, then banning a gun because it is "assault" (which is an idiotic term anyway) is plain stupid. If you think those people you mention won't do the same thing with a wooden stock, and all the problems of irresponsible gun owners go away, then I can't really get through to you.
Did I say the word, "assault"?
And yet they don't. That's because responsible, non delusional gun owners don't load a bunch of guns and thousands of rounds of ammo into a trailer and take it to a "peaceful" protest.
If you're buying a gun for how it makes you feel then you shouldn't be buying a gun. I've owned guns continuously for 40 years. My 15 year old son just completed his CFSC with an overall score of 98 out of 100. We are gun people. I'm not anti gun by any stretch of the imagination. I'm very much anti the wrong people owning guns and people who stockpile military style weapons and thousands of rounds of ammunition are the wrong people.
Way to gatekeep gun ownership. Everyone needs to choose guns based on your criteria, let's ban everything else, huh?
82% of Canadians supported the changes to the firearms regulations. 66% currently want stronger gun control. I'm not, "gatekeeping" anything. I'm discussing the reasons for what's going on. Labeling anyone who says anything you don't like a, "gatekeeper" or a Fudd diminishes the value of anything you have to say.
Why don't you instead try to explain why you need the prohibited version of a firearm instead of the functionally identical non-restricted version?
Or try to explain why you don't want to use the exact same prohibited firearm if it's coated hot pink?
The gun lobby makes such a big deal about banning firearms based on their looks. Explain why looks are your criteria for selecting a firearm.