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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Natural gas can never be clean ether, and the cost of sealing up the supply chain is more expensive than just drilling more, some states have tried to put in laws to set a minimum leak rate and natural gas companies lobbied to prevent the bills from passing. Far from the first example of natural gas companies lobbying against laws that would cut in to their profits.

Natural gas as a bridge fuel was a distraction to divert the public away from actual solutions. It’s worse for climate change than coal is and plenty of in-depth reports, papers, and research bear this out.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think that's bad faith to talk as if coal and ng are the same level of dirty (oh you just come out and say it's worse lol), so I'm out. Coal is ludicrously dirty. Just ridiculous. You have no idea. Even coal mining releases methane, which is intentionally vented.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It’s bad faith to try and move the goal post and act like this conversation was about anything but heating effect and climate change.

It is a fact that natural gas (read methane) infrastructure and power generation has a greater heating impact than coal.

Edit: want to be very clear here, I’m not sayin coal is clean. I’m not saying it is good to live next to a coal plant. I’m not saying build more coal plants.

I’m saying, don’t replace coal with natural gas. Put in solar, nuclear, wind, geothermal, hydro electric, ANYTHING but natural gas. If none of that is possible, then leave the damn coal plant until it is possible. Locking our selves in to 20~30 years of gas is basically guaranteeing a catastrophic climate disaster.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It is a fact that natural gas (read methane) infrastructure and power generation has a greater heating impact than coal.

Source?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2021-04/documents/us-ghg-inventory-2021-chapter-executive-summary.pdf

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ace3db