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Do you denounce the Biden administration's restrictions on trans healthcare?
If you do, I'll have another thing to demand you to denounce right after. I'll throw your tactics right back in your face.
This exchange has been the same thing I've repeatedly seen or personally experienced with tankies.
They end up thinking that their "gotcha" will be expressing fucked up Western policies or actions. They do this because, as I originally stated, they hate the thing they know (Western capitalism) and therefore embrace "the other thing" to feel like they're on the "right" side. They assume that everyone else is doing the same, and that by being critical of Communist governments, we must love Western governments.
And as I also said up front, THEY'RE BOTH SHIT, and if you can't see that, you're very simple. The enemy of your enemy is not your friend. You're not on the good guys' side just because their opposed to the bad guys. It's the Crips vs the Bloods, not Batman vs the Joker.
I hope you wake up to this very basic truth someday, but I've continued this conversation more for other people, to show them the holes in your line of thinking.
Are you still pretending like you were acting in good faith? Lmao. First you jumped down my throat with baseless accusations, then you demanded that I criticize Russia, then when I did, you sensed blood in the water and came after me even harder.
You know for a fact at this point that your accusations were false, you don't care. Because it was never about saying things that you actually believe, it was about going on the offensive and saying anything to make me look bad.
I don't care about making you look bad. I'm throwing light onto some fucked up beliefs that get dressed up with "fuck America!" to make them more attractive. The fact that you embrace these beliefs is irrelevant to me. This is for the reader, not you.
It does being context to your righteous indignation that you've so closely tied the discrediting of your beliefs to a personal attack.
Thank you for admitting it was just about trying to make another side look bad and that you had no interest in what I actually believed. That's the first honest thing you've said this conversation.
For those playing at home, here's a recap: being critical of Communist regimes makes you a "bad actor" (Jesus, tankies love that term. It's their magical spell that they invoke to avoid having to defend the asinine beliefs that "their side" holds), I've committed every argument fallacy known to man, and all I care about it making someone look bad by virtue of pointing out their about beliefs.
If you'd like a more personalized experience, head on over to lemmy.ml and suggest that China's current, very well-documented genocide exists. You can be a bad actor too!
People who take this approach are very wrapped up in identify, which is clearly the case for the person I've been having fun with if you care to check out their comment history. They need to be part of a group and feel righteous. They need all the lines defined for them. As is so often the case, they repeat big and little lies without really understanding what they're saying.
They're the same type of people who identify the horrors perpetuated by the Republican party so they say they're a die-hard Democrat. And to head off the next inevitable reply, no, both sides aren't the same. But they serve the same master, and neither gives 2 fucks about the well being or will of the people.
[email protected] needs to have a very rigorous identify to the point of not understanding or caring to understand what it is their chosen group actually believes or does. It's about belonging and feelings like they're in control.
All my homies hate the atrocities committed under Western capitalism AND the CCP's version of it. If you think it's about anything other than power and control for the wealthy, you're just another one of their tools.
There there, let it out. I know you were just holding that in from before you even saw my first comment and that it's completely unrelated to anything I said. I hope you said what you needed to say. Sometimes you just gotta vent.
Oh, you had more. Keep going, you're only proving that you approached this conversation in bad faith. I should've told you to fuck off from the start when you made it clear you were only interested in lobbing baseless accusations, but I'm just too nice so I gave you a chance anyway.
You're exactly as advertised.
For those following along, notice how they never addressed any point and instead tried to personally discredit me. This is because they don't have logic or fact on their side.
This is the tankie way.
Arguing with a tankie is like playing chess with a pigeon. They'll shit all over the board and still strut around like they won.
Don't be like them. Don't pick a side because it's trendy and goes against the norm. Identify and fight fascism in all its forms, not just "the other team's" atrocities.
(take special note of the gymnastics that they had to perform to make sure they didn't admit that China is performing it's own genocide, since that would upset other people on their team).
It is encouraging that they're ratioed and are as transparent to everyone else as they are to me.
I know it's gotta feel pretty bad to be so bad at making any relevant point when you're so verbose. I hope that someday you mature enough to be able to admit that you never really understood what you were supporting other than feeling like you're part of a group.
Hilarious. All I did was throw your tactics right back in your face. You came out of the gate slinging accusations at me, I responded to those accusations, then you came up with a new set of accusations, and if I'd responded to those you would've done it again and again. I would've been happy to have a discussion about whatever if you hadn't done that, and people who engage with me in good faith get good faith responses.
yoU'Re JUsT tOo NicE!
I know, I am.
You say potato, I say just another kid who lacks critical thinking and loves to get ratioed
"Critical thinking," is that what you were doing here? Because you already admitted that your agenda from the start was to make "tankies" look bad and that you didn't actually care at all about my actual positions.
So let me know your actual position. Your post history shows how unacceptable you find genocide against trans people to be, but then you identify as trans.
I AM interested in your actual position. How do you feel about genocide against something that you don't identify as, like.. oh, let's says Uyghurs.
What's your actual position on the CCP's genocide of Uyghurs?
What's your position on the Biden administration's restrictions on trans healthcare? You never answered that.
You don't get to pretend like you're acting in good faith all of a sudden lol. I know the next accusation and the next demand is waiting right behind this one.
I'm opposed to the Biden administration's restrictions on trans healthcare.
What's your position on the CCP's genocide of Uyghurs?
I haven't seen sufficient credible evidence to conclude that a genocide is happening. You claimed it was "well-documented," yet didn't provide that documentation. All I know of are non-credible claims from Adrian Zenz, and a UN report that did not find sufficient evidence to term it a genocide.
When you're forcibly disappeared to a "reeducation camp," I know you'll be as open-minded as you are now and assert to all the other trans people packed into your boxcar that there's not really enough evidence to classify it as genocide.
Wow, what a surprise! You just wanted me to answer so you could attack me again. Who could've predicted?
Still zero evidence. What happened to "critical thinking," do you not believe in applying basic skepticism towards unsourced claims?
Also wholly unsurprised at a liberal fantasizing about me getting shipped to a camp.
I know your looooove to be a victim but it's not my fantasy. It's just where the US could easily be headed.
And I'm definitely not a liberal.
And do you really need me to pop "Uyghur genocide" into a search engine for you? sigh
Ok, he's a fun starting point: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China&diffonly=true
It's the Wikipedia entry for it, and it has 577 sources.
Lmao a Wikipedia link, you've clearly investigated these claims thoroughly 🤣
Also, what's the title of that Wikipedia? Because here, for example, is an article about the Armenian Genocide called, "Armenian Genocide". Weird that they don't include genocide in the title of the one you linked, I wonder if there's a reason for that 🤔
So your going to laugh off that place where accumulated knowledge ends up, specifically for an article with 566 sources? You don't want to read it first? Dispute the claims or makes one at a time? Check out just a couple of the 566 sources?
And if I'd linked directly to the sources, what would you have said? "That's just propaganda!" That's the one I hear the most from tankies. Of an article for your narrative, even if/especially if it's from State-run news in China, it's gospel. Anything else, even if it's corroborated by different journalists and agencies around the world? Western propoganda!
I wonder if you'd give a shit about trans genocide if you weren't trans.
Some of your "566 sources" include things like official Chinese government statements rejecting the characterization of it being a genocide. Quality over quantity, please. Burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
I give a shit about the Palestinian genocide and I'm not Palestinian. The difference is that there's actual evidence of it.
Jesus Christ, the fucking dissonance. 1 day ago you repeated the the DS9 "nothing justifies genocide" meme. And here you are, simping for fascists because.. well why? It's trendy? It makes you feel important? To differentiate yourself from the status quo? Whatever little shot of superiority dopamine you get from toeing a line that you don't understand can't be worth the denial of human rights for an entire people.
I know nothing I say makes a difference to you. You've dug in. It's part of your identify and you're scared to lose or evolve it. Maybe you wouldn't feel special anymore, I dunno, who cares.
For anyone else reading this, don't be them. Don't get brainwashed to the point where genocide isn't genocide and the issues that matter are the ones that affect you personally. Look at their comment history. Look at this conversation. This is not a happy or confident person.
Be better.
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Couldn't find any evidence so we're back to personal attacks, huh? Lol. So predictable.