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Have you went down any internet rabbit holes only to come out with a deep set existential crisis? If so, what are they?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (31 children)

Free will.

It's hard to accept, but free will is just not compatible with reality. It's like geocentrism. It seems obvious on its face because of our limited perspective, but nothing else in the universe makes sense if it's true. We live in a mechanistic universe and cause and effect doesn't suddenly stop when the atoms are part of a human.

I freaked out for about a week once I came to realize how much of our society is based on a scientific impossibility. Redesigning justice, ethics, healthcare, the very concept of blame, etc. to account for this is a daunting fucking prospect.

[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Here's the thing, though: it's doesn't matter if free will is real or not.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Well, it does if our entire justice system is based around the concept of free will.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

But if we are truly deterministic beings, the factors determining our environment are incredibly important. Even (not freely) acknowledging that free will doesn't exist we could very well (not freely) decide that we need a justice system in this society because we (not freely) want less crime, and people will (not freely) do less crime in a society where such a system is in place.

In the end it doesnt matter if people act based on free will or entirely predetermined. Or society developed as we are, and we put systems into place that seem to work. Sure, someone robbing a bank might do so for reasons that were predetermined in his brain and surroundings, but getting prosecuted for it would in turn become something that codetermines every future moment of his life.

The only think determinism really changes is perspective. It enables us to say: Okay I understand why I/they/you acted this way, or maybe I don't understand, but can assume that there were reasons. That's it. It lends understanding; it doesn't have to chance anything.

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