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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (11 children)

She's neither dead nor was she raped. Maybe read more than just the headline. This is more a case of corruption.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (10 children)

He was in a position of power, and took advantage of that said position of power. It may not be you typical alley rape but its sexual assault (ps i know nothing about laws, #notlegaladvice)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (9 children)

He was in a position of power, and took advantage of that said position of power.

To benefit himself and her alike. He might as well could've taken money instead of sexual favors, in which case you wouldn't call it "stealing" either, but a bribe. It's corruption. Calling everything sexual "rape" is just downplaying the severity of actual rape.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

So just to clarify, if a police officer has someone arrested and says "perform sexual favors or I'll make your punishment more severe potentially affecting you life and livelihood" that to you is the same as a bribe?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

No, because they then would coerce the victim.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If you'd have read the article, you'd know that's not what happened.

“You’re not too bad,” the woman can be heard saying on body-worn camera footage. “What’s it gonna hurt me if I work the system, you know what I mean?”

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

People in police custody cannot legally consent to sex. Regardless of how willing she was, she was still being held against her will. That, by california law, is still rape.

By your reasoning, would threatening a woman until she has sex with you still count as rape? Because you seem to be saying that everything is fine and dandy as long as the woman eventually consents, regardless of circumstance.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Coerced consent is not consent, so sex after threats is rape, yeah, I agree with you there. But that's not what happened in this case. I don't think the two scenarios are the same.

The cop still committed a crime, I just don't think the crime is rape.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

According to California law it's literally rape. So you're quibbling over fine line definitions for no reason. In addition, the woman would not have had sex with him if not for his position and authority. The fact that she didn't scream and complain is irrelevant. It's the same as if a woman doesn't fight off an aggressor because shes afraid of more or worse violence. The lack of physical resistance is not consent.

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