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Hezbollah and Hamas flags waved during pro-Palestinian demonstration in New York
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Hamas very much is an occupying force, too. They've been brutalising Gaza for quite a while and are very very happy with the result of October 7th. It got the exact response they wanted it to have, what's luckily missing is the reaction among Palestinians they wanted it to have, those accelerationist fucks. "Make Israel crack down harder to make the population madder".
Can you please stop that campism it's brainrot. Just because fascists happen to be on the underdog side doesn't make them in any way worthy of supporting, fascists love fighting other fascists as they can reinforce their respective holds over their own population.
Hamas and the variety of militias comprise the Palestinian armed resistance to Israeli occupation. They are made up mostly of orphans. They are not "the big bad", they are Palestinians. I'm not going to justify everything they do, but neither will I condemn them. What is Palestine's alternative?
No. Generally speaking, that's the role of the PLO, a bunch of secular lefties and also Palestine's representative to the UN, which Hamas very much is not a part of. Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, rabidly Islamist, very much more interested in martyrdom than liberation, more interested in making sure that male hair dressers don't serve female customers for whatever fucked-up reason, and also very much funded with the at least aid of Israel. Because the PLO has too much foreign goodwill.
Note that I'm saying here "Hamas" as in the organisation. Individual fighters might indeed have better motives, and individual paramedics definitely have better motives. But the middle to upper levels of the organisation, the strategists, the mullahs? Islamofascist, the lot of them. Not a single bit better than the Kahanites on the other side. They love each other, as the existence of the other means their war indeed can be eternal (see Umberto Eco). There can be no Israeli security without Palestinian freedom, and there also can't be Palestinian freedom without Israeli safety. The rest of Palestinians generally understand that, Hamas refuses to acknowledge it.
You know what you're doing right now? You're applauding the Mujahideen because they can be used to fight against the Soviets, blind to the Taliban you're creating. You're using the same fucked-up US doctrine that you slammed a few comments earlier. As said: Stop that "enemy of my enemy" campist bullshit.
Is the PLO offering any armed resistance to the genocide occurring right now? Does it offer any armed resistance to Israeli occupation generally? I cannot find any evidence that it is, but I would be happy to read anything that says otherwise.
They are following their strategy, not yours. Your bloodlust doesn't matter.
So that's a no then? I thought you said that armed resistance to Israeli violence was the job of the PLO. Now you dodge and call it bloodlust to understand the impulse to resist occupation.
It's you who's equating having military capacity and using it. It's you who's equating resisting occupation with massacring far-left hippie Kibbutzim who were out there in Gaza, helping Palestinians left and right, and on the 7th you probably also made fun of them having a rave.
The average Palestinian is channelling Ghandi hardcore and all you care about is giving Kahanites pretext for genocide while freeing them of the inconvenient lefty voices within Israel. That is what your support for Hamas does, critical or otherwise, because that's what they're doing. There were plenty of other targets in reach, plenty of other civilian targets, Hamas chose the hippies. Why?
Ah, now I see who you are. You embody the liberal ideal that dying nonviolently is nobler than violent resistance. So useful to have "military capacity" and not use it while your people are slaughtered and yours lands stolen, eh?
Fuck noble how about strategically opportune. Is that a thing you can do, prioritise strategy and the achievement of aims over your bloodlust.
You talk of lust, but it seems like you have a fetish for the genocide of Palestinians.
Have you actually ever had a look at what Palestinians say. Their political discourse. Would be a much more useful use of your time than mindlessly parroting thought-terminating cliches such as "If you are against bombing hippie civilians you're pro genocide".
Do you seriously think you know better what to do than Palestinians themselves. Is that some white saviour shit or something.
Oh shit. Do you live Palestine?
No. Which doesn't have to do with anything. I also didn't ask you to move there to have an opinion, all I asked you to do was reading up a bit on Palestinian politics. Was that so unthinkable a suggestion that you need to get all defensive now and attempt to deflect.
How is it deflecting when you call me a "white savior" for having an outsider opinion about this genocide, if I hold your opinion to the same standard? Have you considered that the rank and file of Hamas live in Palestine? The ones that are fighting and dying? That they themselves are the children and orphans of Palestine?
I'm am sure that there is a variety of opinions among the Palestinian people, just as there are among the Israelis and Americans. I am aware of the limitations of my own perspective, but all I can do is apply my knowledge and principles to the situation as I see it. You're doing the same, and I don't really see any point in continuing this conversation. Take that as you will.
Then be aware of the average attitude of Palestinians towards stoking the bear, will you, instead of coming here with an attitude of "The PLO is invalid because they're not fighting they're complicit in their own genocide", as you very much insinuated.
Because, you know, being aware of the limitations of your own perspective includes not running your mouth when you haven't done your research.