this post was submitted on 23 May 2024
643 points (97.3% liked)

World News

38554 readers
2644 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News [email protected]

Politics [email protected]

World Politics [email protected]


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Yup. They're very efficient militarily, as is Finland. See the Skjold-class as an example of their engineering style.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Efficiency is a thing and Norway might have an advantage there, but for example... the Skjold, there's 6 of them in existence and the complement for them is listed as 15 people.

The Norwegian Navy as a whole is 25 boats of various sizes, Israel is not a lot better with 67 and skews towards smaller boats and neither side is equipped to fight anywhere they both could reach. The entire Norwegian Navy is about 4,000 personnel compared to 9,500 for the Israeli Navy. It would be the weirdest Naval battle with two sides that have no business at all having a naval battle, but if they were determined to fight and could figure out where, the advantage is on Israel.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

If you just look at numbers maybe, we can see from Russia (large navy) vs Ukraine (no navy) that there are serious disadvantages when waging a war of attrition, even with relatively near distances and supply lines.

The Israeli navy has no meaningful capability control Norwegian waters and they would be insane to try.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I've mentioned at least a few times that this theoretical would require both sides being dedicated to the conflict and no outside interference, with that I don't see how that matters as both sides would have that problem to overcome.

Also, Ukraine does have a Navy. When you compare the actual ships to the Russian Navy or even just the Black Sea Fleet, it is almost a rounding error, but they still have a few dozen small ships floating around out there. The Ukrainian Navy still had 15,000 personnel as of 2022, but I'd guess that things likely have not been going great for them lately, not sure where that's at now. I haven't heard of any successful engagements using the few boats left, but they are very outclassed and I'd imagine outnumbered. Does exist though, several naval bases, and they are still fighting.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

*Skjold (which means "shield")

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Not sure how I missed that J. Whoops.